Thursday, May 14th, 2009 | Author:

X-DST’s Influencing Aspirant. Minerva Worship?????

This was written in response to help an aspirant of Delta Sigma Theta by 2 X-DST’s. One of the e-mails is below.

“Thank you so much for the Email. You have had a big influence in m(y) decision not to pledge.” Aspirant

I received an e-mail from minister Hatchett regarding your questions about DST. I denounced Delta Sigma Theta in 2006 by writing an official letter that I had to get notorized asking for removal. As a young collegiate, I thought I wanted the acceptance of the women in the organization. I was attracted to the affirmation all the greeks on the yard gave each other, the status associated with being a member, and I wanted a sisterhood to belong to.

Well, I was hazed. I was slapped, bruised, bloodied, and betrayed (by my “line-sisters”). I realized that the expereince bred nothing but hatred and corruption, and in my heart I realized that this was not what I anticipated. I struggled for about 4 years trying to make the most of it and still be a member, I went thru a roller coaster ride of wanting to be a Delta and not wanting to be involved… Many members of BGLOS have a surreal experience that empowers them with a false sense of pride, and they make potentials believe that they are strong willed people when they allow themselves to be subjected to hazing.

BUt just think, would any normal person allow these things to be done to them in ordinary circumstances if they had any dignity? WOuldn’t we be ready to press charges against an employer if they required these things of us–this blind submission, physical and verbal abuse, needless spending of our money for their gain?

No one forces you to be hazed, you have to decide to be …but if you want to be 100% in that organization, hazing is the only way to avoid controversy. That is why so many people subscribe to it. It takes a much stronger person to walk away with self assurance enough to say, this is not for me, this is not of GOd, no matter how much they say they believe in God and are built on Christian principles. YOu must read between the lines. The sorority/fraternal system is built on pretentious characterisitics, and to do good for the community is the responsbility of every Christian—one does not need to belong to a group of people to carry this out if they are serving God genuinely…community service is the mask and underneath lies a bogus system that promotes elitism, self worship, hero worship, and blind allegiance…people who slap each other on the back and pump up each others’ egos…they are weak people who want the affirmation of others to feel valued…PERIOD. God’s afrirmation is all you need…

Many people are intoxicated by these types of social relationships, and the sad part is that there is so much corruption that gets covered up that the Christian Principles they brag about publicly are being privately forsaken…

God never intended for me to be a part of this type of culture…in my youth I thought as a child, but when I came of age, spiritually speaking, I had to put away childish things, and God did not want me to partake in the nonsense–DST was a childish thing I had to put away…furthermore, the love of Christ is far from what they practice, their love is very conditional–it is “moblike”–do what they all do and you are one of them…there is hypocrisy in their ranks because as soon as you have been deemed a skater because you have decided not to subject yourself to the foolish behaviors that hazing warrants, you are an outcast even though you are a legal, card carrying member, and others who have been brainswashed by hazing will still harrass you even unto the point of taking off your organizational paraphanelia — this is not unity, this is not love, this is snide, this is hatred, and in the kingdom of God, you do not get mistreated for standing for honesty…in DST, when my line collectively dropped, we were persecuted for not going thru with hazing…which, by the way is an illegal activity that DST publicly denounces, yet so many members partake in , young and old, knowing it is illegal but still revering its beguiling necessity inorder to be a “real” member –so they are also an organization of LIES, and Satan is the father of lies….Period…Furthermore, they accredit Roman/Greek goddess as being their guiding light, she is attributed with being the purveyor of wisdom for the organization, she is donned on the official seal, and although they give her symbolic credit only, they pay homage to her, and Christian Principles should tell them that the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord…Minerva is a goddess from a pagan culture, and DST operates off of an internal belief system that Minverva is integral in…as you pledge you are hosted by the Minerva Circle when you are a pyramid, and these are 14 members who are deemd as wise, intelligent (as they wear the name of Minerva Circle) just the same as a Christian is supposed to wear the traits of Christ when we wear His name….you decide for yourself if this is a form of worship but in my book it is … what would I tell God on judgement day when asked about giving Minverva credit for being the goddess of wisdom…

This entire culture is not God’s way, and it is disguised by good acts of community service, charirty and all the stuff that people think are so wonderful for humanity…but the bottom line is that these individuals do these deeds to get the glory for themselves, they do not do it to give God the Glory…

Don’t let your heart be troubled, God has better plans for you, and He is not the author of confusion…continue to seek true wisdom not borne of an organization, but born of GOd, read the Bible to fill you with what you need to know.

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232 Responses

  1. How soon will you update your blog? I’m interested in reading some more information on this issue.

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    admin 

    Gary,

    You can go to http://www.dontgogreek.com to the Greek Organizations Exposed Link. There is a lot of good info like this on there and in the guestbook.

  3. Your site is worth beeing in the top cause it contains really amazing information.

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    Latoya 

    Wow I can see why she may have denounced her letters. But let me give you the truth and my opionion about being greek.

    I am apart of DST and I am so annioted by the blood of Jesus.

    So im not going to be one sided, but since she told you why she went the way she did. She was one sided, so imma speak on the other side.

    First she was talking about being hazed. Delta Sigma Theta Sorority is a non-hazing orgainization. Being apart of any organization is what you make it. If she decided to go through what she went through where ever she has pledged. That was her decision. She stated if you did not get hazed that they may look at you in a certain way. Girl Whooooo Cares how people look at you. You are going to get that everywhere. Jobs, school, family and including the chapter you was apart of. There are thousands of Deltas around the world. You cant make and change a person for who they are. Think about it and get it together…. no need to go into that part…

    Next you talked about christianity… Hun Not everyone is a christian. Like I stated before you are who you are. We probably have people apart of this organization that have many different religious beliefs. People may serve satan, people may serve God, people may serve Buhda.. Girl who knows.
    Now yes in the church you don’t belong to a group. Ok but you do belong to a church. You have members of a church and you have non-members of a church. Members of the church do things for the church. Non-members are trying to be apart of the church and thats basically everywhere, such as companies and organizations.ECT…..

    Taking of your DST paraphanelia… Now if your not apart of the organization why wear it. Your representing us and you don’t know anything. Why? please tell me why? Thats just like being apart of NAACP and your going around saying and perpertrating being apart of something that you know nothing about. You can’t do that. Thats life period.
    Ok you know God, you have a bond with God, but plenty of people have a bond with God and everyone has SINNED in there life… so can a sinner who know God really guide me on the right path. Or being a member of a church you cant go around saying your the Pastor the church and so on and so on.. think about it.

    Then you talk about Minverva. Minverva was around before people actually knew about Jesus. Minverva is NOT anyone that we serve hun. Ask yourself what is the Minverva circle… because if you are or were a Delta.. It has nothing to do with Evil, Seving a nother God or whatever non-greek people make up,,, because they do not know. IF that was the case Trust Me I would not have joined this orgainization.

    You also stated that you do not have to be apart of an organization to do community service and that is sooooooo True… But you have to have done community service before you actually join the organization.

    Choosing an organization is what you decide to do. We all in some way stand for the same thing.. Just like you decide what type of job, degree, sport or anything that you may want to do..

    I really don’t want to type alot, but I do have alot to say…
    Don’t let one or two people who made bad choices determine what you want to do… You have to really think and pray about everything you do…

    Over and Out
    DST

    P.S.: if i made any mistakes. I do apologize, but im at work trying to do work and I came across this and had to give my opinion.

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    admin 

    You saw that this young lady did not quote any of her Delta sources to prove anything she said. It is pure opinion, and she is of the opinion that if you are not a member, your voice is nothing. Latoya joined because she knew nothing about minerva, and apparently as a member knows nothing more. She admitted being unequally yoked together with unbelievers, and that DST allows sinners to join. Tons of people go around wearing shirts for the purpose they were made, to clothe you, not caring what’s on it. Is that a crime? If I had a DST sweatshirt on so what? It’s 45 degrees, and I am warm.

    “We probably have people apart of this organization that have many different religious beliefs. People may serve satan, people may serve God, people may serve Buhda.. Girl who knows.” Latoya

    Once again we see the Fatherhood of God and the Universal Brotherhood of Man, and it’s in their ritual mixed with the gospel. Here’s what Mary McLeod Bethune is wuoted in the ritual as saying,

    “Our aim must be to create a world of fellowship and justice where no man’s color or religion is held against him. ‘Love thy neighbor’ is a precept which could transform the world if it were universally practiced. It connotes brotherhood and to me, brotherhood of man is the noblest of all human relationships. Loving your neighbor means being interracial, interreligious, and international.” (The Official Ritual of the Grand Chapter of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Incorporated, page 143, 2003).

    I could put this statement to bed quickly by quoting Jesus, please read John 14:6, but allow me.

    How should it have been written by a Christian for an organization that claims to be founded upon Christian Principles:

    Jesus’ aim was that we show ourselves as His disciples by our love for one another. We are to preach the gospel to the world, this means all the poeple we can reach. To those who do not accept the gospel, we know their fate, and we are told to shake the dust off of our feet. When Jesus said that He is the only way to the Father, to me it connotes the ultimate sacrifice He made that gives Him the right to make such a statement. Jesus said that He would have all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, but we know that all men do not want to be saved. But men and women want the Christian to compromise our beliefs to form a universal brotherhood where our Savior and God, Jesus Christ is given less than the title He deserves of Lord and God. So Jesus’ concept of a universal brotherhood/sisterhood is called the Body of Christ, not the body of Christ, Buddha, Allah, etc. (Minister Fred Hatchett)

    DST admits that rituals/teachings of GLO’s are intertwined with Masonic ones. It can be seen here.

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    Norman 

    Nice post and blog! Greets.

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    CHARISE 

    Very useful post. will come back again,,

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    JUSTME 

    Hello,
    While I complete aggree with much of what is posted on this site there is one thing that keep poking at me. Individuals keep making it a point about linking up with people who are not Believers in Jesus Christ. And that being one of the reasons that a person should not join a BGLO. The problem I have with this train of thought is that we all work on jobs with people who are not believers. on our jobs all of us are coming together under the umbrella of that company. That being the case we are on the same page as it relates to what that company is about. Now if we use the mindset that we should not join BGLO because of teh fact that there are those who may have a different faith than we do, then shouldn’t the same be the case as it relates to our jobs. So does that mean that we should walk away from our place of employment because every one that we have LINKED up on that job is not a believer?
    I am just saying let’s keep the reasonings for not joing biblical and not Opinion based. I believe many of us jave take the unequally yoked passage out of context have been trying to make it fit in areas that the writer did not mean for it to be applied.

    Please do not take any of this teh wrong way. I believe that we should speread the truths that are behind these organizations and I believe this is a wonder venue that is changing many lives i just dont think that particular argument stands that well!

    but that is …

    JUSTME

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    admin 

    Linking up with sinners is wrong period, but there is a huge difference between being a co-worker and sorority sister or fraternity brother. Unequal yoking along with the supplementation of many other arguments stand up very well.

    Employment provides a means to provide for yourself and family.

    Employment is not designed to be life long.

    Employment does not YOKE you to anyone.

    Greek orgs. do the oppostie of all of these things.

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    Reverend 

    Dear Just Me:

    In love, I just want to share with you the TRUTH that you are missing based on your inquiry. The difference is that, on your job, your co-workers are just that: people you work with. In fact, they are exactly who you are to love and share the Gospel with.

    BUT … in Greek Letter Organizations, (also Masons, Eastern Stars, etc.) you are entering into a COVENANT by taking an OATH , which puts you into immediate violation of Scripture.

    The Bible admonishes believers NOT to take oaths, and the Bible instructs believers NOT to be unequally yoked with unbelievers. You body is the temple of the HOLY SPIRIT.

    Understand that the Bible teaches that Satan is the Father of unbelievers. Unsaved people can join GLO’S because being born-again is NOT a prerequisite to joinining a GLO.

    Therefore, a believer taking an oath (forbidden) with an unbeliever (sinful) in the supernatural (where the battle really is) binds you with Satan. Period. Read Ephesians 6 to understand that our battle is not with the flesh … but with principalities and rulers of darkness.

    Read Romans 12:1-2 and recognize that these Greek organizations are “world systems” referred to in verse 2. The are pagan from the root of their beginnings.

    WAKE UP CHURCH! PRAY FOR DISCERNMENT!

  11. Cool site, love the info.

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    Von 

    I dont have a issue with whats being said, but I would like to know were is the info on the other sororities. I see alot of Delta stuff but what about Sigma Gamma Rho, Alpha Kappa ALpha and Zeta Phi Beta. If there is a link to some info on these sororities could you post them.

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    IJustWannaSaySomething 

    As an X-member of DST I appreciate your explaination of exactly what goes on inside the Mirnerva circle. When I learned the valuable Bible principles, I removed myself from that part of the world. I am happy to know that others have made the same wise choice.

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    Jameson 

    Looks like your doing a good job with this blog.

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    Sharon 

    I am a christian and I took an Oath when I joined the U.S. Navy. . . . .so did that put me into immediate violation of the Scripture! I’m sure there are many people of different religious beliefs protecting this country.

    People need to stop blaming these organizations for their short comings or weaknesses – - take accountability! No one is asked to compromise their beliefs. If you compromise, that’s because you want to and your belief in that matter was never strong!

    Some of the most unholy people I have encountered in my life are my so called brothers and sisters in Christ. Let’s not even go there!

    I myself am not apart of any greek organization, but my daughter wants to pledge and I support her 100%. They do wonders for the community — more than what I can say for most of the churches.

    So before you continue to point the finger, take a look in the mirror.

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    admin 

    “I am a christian and I took an Oath when I joined the U.S. Navy. . . . .so did that put me into immediate violation of the Scripture! I’m sure there are many people of different religious beliefs protecting this country.” Sharon

    Min. H
    First off, thank-you for your service to the American people.

    You take an oath knowing full well what you are doing, no secrets here. I will read the naval oath and make an assessment.

    “People need to stop blaming these organizations for their short comings or weaknesses – - take accountability! No one is asked to compromise their beliefs. If you compromise, that’s because you want to and your belief in that matter was never strong!” Sharon

    Min. H
    Actually Sharon, you have Christian Hazers, and Christians willing to be hazed. The psychology of joining these organizations is not well understood. The people you call weak often risk more by denouncing.

    “Some of the most unholy people I have encountered in my life are my so called brothers and sisters in Christ. Let’s not even go there!” Sharon

    Min. H
    No, let’s go there, because I deal with it on my site and this blog. SO WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN YOU ENCOUNTER THESE PEOPLE?

    “I myself am not apart of any greek organization, but my daughter wants to pledge and I support her 100%. They do wonders for the community — more than what I can say for most of the churches.” Sharon

    Min. H
    GLO’s will NEVER equal what the Body of Christ does in any community, ever. So you support your daughter 100%, but if she comes home beat down or dies, I will be here for you, just call…. 919/278-8911.

    “So before you continue to point the finger, take a look in the mirror.” Sharon

    Min. H
    I did take a look, 14 years ago, and so have 100′s since then.

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    Sharon 

    How many deaths have been reported over the past 20 years from hazing results of the Delta Sigma Theta? I don’t want to know of any other organization, only the Delta Sigma Theta.

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    admin 

    I do not believe any deaths in DST have ever occurred. But then again, they had never occurred in AKA for the first 95 to 96 years either. So if your daughter wants to “pledge”, which is illegal and unsanctioned by the sorority, I can only be here if the vacuum closes up. Yet and still, my issue comes with DST’s anti-christian worldviews. Pledging is obviously anti-christian, but it’s those rituals you perform that are not obvious.

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    DME 

    I respect everyone’s views and opinions, but when you think about it most of you are actually passing judgement, which is a sin also and some people forget that.
    I believe joining any organization that puts emphasis on christianity first and fore most is a good thing. People have said the word homage many times ,but very few knows what it means homage means to show reverence and respect toward somebody. The organizations that people speak of they just give respect to the philosphers not worshipping them like some people give homage to Socrates they qoute him some even use his works as a way of life. Now the church community has always been strict and many pass judgements along to other people and there the church. However I truly believe that when we (those who believe) do sin we will be forgiving because you have to think about when the black organizations started they were created for african americans in college and the regular society to bring in togetherness and stand up for their rights, Now I don’t agree with the hazing but I do feel that you can test someone’s loyalty because we do it in our personal relationships to make sure that if they are needed they can be called upon and answered.

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    admin 

    “I respect everyone’s views and opinions, but when you think about it most of you are actually passing judgement, which is a sin also and some people forget that.”

    Min. H
    I say you are wrong. The Bible says you are wrong. If I know a Christian brother is fornicating, I’m just supposed to watch my Christian brother wallow in sin? No! I am supposed to tell him he is sinning, and admonish him to repent. Corinthians, Matthew, James, Titus, etc. says so….

    “I believe joining any organization that puts emphasis on christianity first and fore most is a good thing. People have said the word homage many times ,but very few knows what it means homage means to show reverence and respect toward somebody. The organizations that people speak of they just give respect to the philosphers not worshipping them like some people give homage to Socrates they qoute him some even use his works as a way of life.”

    Min. H
    There’s a difference between quoting him, and quoting him in comparison/contrast to Jesus. These organizations do not put emphasis on Christianity.

    “Now the church community has always been strict and many pass judgements along to other people and there the church. However I truly believe that when we (those who believe) do sin we will be forgiving because you have to think about when the black organizations started they were created for african americans in college and the regular society to bring in togetherness and stand up for their rights.”

    Min. H
    Actually, they were nrought about to bring together the creme of the crop. If they were really for unity, then why can only people in college, or college graduates join? ELITISM/TALENTED TENTH……………..

    “Now I don’t agree with the hazing but I do feel that you can test someone’s loyalty because we do it in our personal relationships to make sure that if they are needed they can be called upon and answered.”

    Min. H
    Loyalty is earned without testing it first. A person should simply be loyal, because they choose to be loyal.

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    Auto Insurance Guy 

    Ah!!! at last I found what I was looking for. Somtimes it takes so much effort to find even tiny useful piece of information.
    Nice post. Thanks

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    Diva17 

    To say that if you take an oath it’s against God is crazy, especially since the Delta oath in particular bonds you to act in a spiritually aware mannor while acting on behalf of the organization. Ms. Site administrator, did you read your history, when it says that DST was founded by Christian women? When there are countless biblical passages quoted in all official documents, when a prayer must be said @ every meeting?

    And because you let yourself be broken and not built back up does not mean that you should denounce everyone else that decided to pledge. And the “pledge” process does not automatically mean hazing as Delta Sigma Theta is a Non-Hazing organization. Before you attempt to even join Delta, you must sign a piece of paper that says you WILL NOT allow yourself to be hazed. The person that allows themselves to be hazed is just as guilty as the person who did the hazing.

    And if you chose not to be touched, there is no stigma, when you join a grad chapter after graduation do they look down on you? No, as long as you do the work of the organization, no one cares if you were or weren’t.

    And while you state that even being in the organization is aganst your christian sensibilities I state, “he who be without sin cast the first stone.” Or maybe, all saints were once sinners.

    But the difference between you and me is that I don’t judge you for your decision. I don’t think you are a traitor, I’m sure you are a very nice person, I’m sure you had a bad experience, and that you did not have the previledge of being brought in the right way, I think that you have not yet come to forgiveness for those who have trespassed against you… which I believe is apart of the Lords Prayer, the first biblical verse most people learn.

    However I will state that you are judging ALL chapters of Delta, and all members who chose to pledge and become Deltas and stay Deltas regardless of that they had to do to get there. And last time I checked the Bible states “don’t judge lest you be judged” and the only one who has that right is GOD.

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    admin 

    Response to Diva 17 from the X-Delta who wrote the original post.

    “Here is My Response:

    With all due respect, if many members such as yourself would read God’s word with as much fervor and dedication, you may be able to see beyond the surface of organizational doctrine that covers the oxymoronic dichotomy within its structure. “Act in a spiritually aware manner”?! What spirit are we referring to—‘cause God’s spirit is not reflected in much of the activities of the organization and its members, on a political level (support of abortion via Planned Parenthood) and on a social level (lying about hazing but requiring aspirants who want to be “real” to be hazed). Christianity is not about being “spiritual” (that’s “Oprah-anity”). When will people begin to realize the difference between propaganda fluff and hard-core, consistent and untainted truth? Do you not know that the KKK also claims to be built on Christian principles? What does that mean nowadays anyway? People throw around the term Christian like it is some sort of social safety cloak to keep leery eyes from discerning the truth, and it has been this way throughout history…discernment makes the difference between a brainwashed puppet and a keen learner who does not settle for articulate words dripping with scriptures from the Bible. Dig deeper. Satan knows scripture and tried to trap Christ with scripture but failed! Do you not know that even the devil himself can disguise him as an angel of light? My bad, you probably wouldn’t know the difference between a counterfeit angel and a real one because all it takes is a charismatic quote or passage used and manipulated from the Bible to win your trust and adoration.

    It’s all propaganda: the non-hazing disclaimers, the “built on Christian principles”, the devotion to founders who were fighting for a “moral” society, but I beg this question: why isn’t winning souls a part of the Five Point Thrust of Delta Sigma Theta, this grand organization based on Christian (CHRIST’s) principles? If anything be built on His principles it should be the Great Commission.

    And let’s discuss the covert hypocrisy that litters not only DST but the Divine 9 as a whole. There is an interesting parallel between people who pledged via hazing and non-discriminatory treatment within the ranks of the fraternal organizations, and there is also distinct parallel between hatred, violence and discriminatory treatment of those who decide to pledge via MIP, or “skate” in…I know because I experienced it first hand, and I know other members of other BGLOs who exhibit this very same ideology…so let’s not try to intellectualize this issue about the truth behind BGLOs, it is what it is, and just like propaganda convinced Hitler to invade Germany, just like propaganda convinced white southern men to preserve the white race via the KKK, just like Jim Jones’ led thousands of people to their death in South America, propaganda perpetuates the existence of BGLOs, and manipulating Christianity by weaving scripture into a diabolical history book full of rituals about pseudo-sisterhood does not necessarily exude the authenticity of Christianity. Stop being so easily lead by what looks good on the surface. Learn to Discern.

    Lastly, the Word of God upholds a standard for HOLINESS. Judging the “actions” of organizations that misrepresent and violate Biblical standards (IDOLATRY being WRONG for instance!!) is not sending someone to hell; exposing these disguised realities is actually being done by Minister Hatchett and others like him, myself included, as a way to help PREVENT people from going to hell. Christian’s are called to keep each other accountable, according to God’s rule book…judging actions and judging one’s eternal status are not the same thing. I have a right to judge the wrongness of one’s actions without hating the person who does it, because if I was in sin, then I would want someone to tell me what I was doing was wrong. Me denouncing DST does not mean that I am without sin, it means that when I knew better, I did better, period, and I want others to know the truth about it like I do. You have free will to do as you please, but now you cannot say that you have not been told. The rest is between you and God. I say that to say this: judging your involvement in a BGLO is a separate deal from judging your eternity (which is what God alone does); I am called to expose what is wrong to HELP you see what is right, whether you like it or not. Furthermore, I wouldn’t even care if you did consider me a traitor, because my hopes and dreams are not based on being accepted by DST…when I gave that up, I was no longer bound. Praise God! All the best to you, please learn to discern. Don’t believe the hype. The below scripture refers to the Israelites, yet its principle is applicable to Christians.”

    Hosea 4:6 (King James Version)
    6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

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    JASMINE 

    I still want to become a member of DST…I came to this site looking for a negative and couldn’t find one…just people talking about what they don’t know and lame judgement..

    Min. H
    You are not even one, so what do you know? Now look at the last sentence you wrote, it will show you your hypocrisy.

    even the admin who keeps responding is a sinner..

    Min. H
    You just judged me, very lamely, I might add.

    its not the group, its the choices that the individuals make..

    Min. H
    What do you think the devil does? He influences people, just as a group can as well. You do not know how many times people bring up DST’s national chaplain to justify DST. Just as you are doing with your pastor.

    my dad is a pastor even he said its not a bad choice..i will continue to go to church and praise god every god..

    Min. H
    I hope this last statement is a misprint????????

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    X DELTA 

    If proof of the negative is what this aspirant wants, then check out DST’s official website: deltasigmatheta.org, go under the MEMBERSHIP tab and she will be able to view the names of all chapters, members, and applicants who have been fined, put on probation/suspension, expelled and/or barred. Although the reasoning for such disciplinary actions are not definitively stated on the website, investigative research will show that these are mostly hazing cases. If the head is stating that this is a non-hazing org, why does the body seem to be in defiance of this? Therein lies yet another oxymoronic fallacy: “We are a non-hazing organization” Really? You recognize a tree by the kind of fruit it bears. Here we have dual hypocrisy: the body in non-compliance with the head (DISCORD as opposed to UNITY), and a lack of organizational integrity…they haze and they lie, and they create these policies to cover their butts when the real fruit becomes evident, as a means to absolve themselves from legal liability (sort of like playing Pontius Pilate when the crap hits the fan). If they really were a non-hazing organization, then why the sanctions? Why are there hazing cases? Furthermore, if hazing was a part of an old culture that needed to be done away with for the greater good, one ought to wonder about the STRONG HOLD this culture has if it cannot be quenched, especially Christians who are aware of SPIRITUAL STRONGHOLDS…as they say when you want to know more about the org, DO YOUR RESEARCH… God is not the author of confusion! If you don’t see, then you don’t want to. Aspirant, if you cannot be guaranteed that you will not be mistreated or compromised during the membership intake process, why on Earth should/would you want access into an organization that defies integrity? FYI—there is no guarantee that you will not be expected to be mistreated or compromised…it is then up to you to walk away. Many people do not and the culture continues, sadly…

  27. 27
    Montecella 

    X Delta, so sorry you experienced hazing. You took a vow that you WOULD NOT allow yourself to be hazed. Seems like you may have had some cupability in your experiences. Yes, you can go on the web-site to see those who have been fined or expelled from Delta Sigma Theta, Inc. because as individuals, THEY decided to haze or be hazed. THe fact that YOU can see a list is validation that the ORGANIZATION does NOT approve of individual who choose to violate the policy.
    My prayers are with you my X-sister, that you find a connection somewhere. If really you are connected to GOD, then you should be in a state of forgiveness and prayer for those who saw fit to do you harm…..Jesus did. Get off this site, stop being a victim and find YOUR reason for being on Gods earth.

  28. 28
    X-DELTA 

    Montecella posted

    “X Delta, so sorry you experienced hazing. You took a vow that you WOULD NOT allow yourself to be hazed. Seems like you may have had some culpability in your experiences. Yes, you can go on the web-site to see those who have been fined or expelled from Delta Sigma Theta, Inc. because as individuals, THEY decided to haze or be hazed. THe fact that YOU can see a list is validation that the ORGANIZATION does NOT approve of individual who choose to violate the policy. My prayers are with you my X-sister, that you find a connection somewhere. If really you are connected to GOD, then you should be in a state of forgiveness and prayer for those who saw fit to do you harm…..Jesus did. Get off this site, stop being a victim and find YOUR reason for being on Gods earth.”

    X-Delta’s response to Montecella

    First off, the arrogance that pervades these BGLO systems is very apparent in the “protect my letters mode” response offered by this Delta, as she attempts to use the hazer mentality to “instruct” me to get off the site and stop being a victim and furthermore uses a vow that is now null and void to me as a means of persuasion—won’t work, because I have no loyalty to the Greek system now that I have denounced, I am free indeed, so these rules do not apply to me. Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids! I am not intimidated or flustered by this attempt to use reverse psychology to obligate me to uphold values that are no longer applicable to me, and as a Child of God, who knows better now, I can say indefatigably, that I am free to educate people on what the Lord has shown me, and that is where my allegiance is. That is why I went through the DST experience, all things work out for the good of those who love Him and are called according to HIS PURPOSE…hmmm, do you even know what living according to HIS PURPOSE is, or are you using Delta to try to fulfill YOUR PURPOSE? I experienced DELTA for HIS PURPOSE, which is to do what I am doing on this site, so no, I will not get off.

    I say again, I am free indeed, so please, do not think for a moment that I have ingested the oxymoronic poison that defines the BGLO system. Praise be to God that He is a God of second chances, since I at one time did honor such futile vows and HE still saw fit to forgive me. People who are a Slave to such a system cannot conceptualize rebelling against the system because they have attached themselves to strongholds that make them feel eternally obligated. In this case, the victim is not me, but the victim is on the contrary, the one who cannot see because of the scales that blind her eyes.

    Culpability. Interesting that this word should be used. See, this word culpability is synonymous with responsibility, guilt, and blame. So, if I entertain the ideology of the BGLO system for just a moment, a pursuant of Greek letters is the one who seeks knowledge while the members are already informed of the ways of the organization. They are the teachers and aspirants are the seekers. Therefore, there is an advantage placed on the teachers: they know the “tricks of the trade” and the seekers are placed in a position to comply in order to get to the place of the teacher; if they do not, they will be rejected in some form or fashion. Yes, the seeker shares responsibility in being hazed, I was hazed because I chose to be, under the context of seeking entrance into the sorority. However, this does not promote justice or honesty on behalf of the “teachers”, it instead is beguiling and untrustworthy. Ultimately, this does not demonstrate respect for the fellow human, or the human personality.

    So, in essence (still entertaining the BGLO ideaology), to whom much is given, much is required; the one with better knowledge is responsible for representing that knowledge accordingly and that DOES NOT HAPPEN when aspirants are deceived by hazers who abuse their authority. So aspirants, I implore you not to drink the Kool-Aide because they will turn on you and exonerate themselves from their failed responsibility – CULPABILTY— as this Delta articulately wrote, in order to preserve the façade of morality, honesty, compassion, and justice, among other lies that they ironically use as morality fodder. Was it right for the Colonists to buy Manhattan for $24 knowing its full worth, and being far more informed than the ignorant (uniformed) Native American sellers? This is pimpery at its finest, clothed in morality mumbo jumbo.

    Also, by the way, as a sidebar comment, , the last time I checked, spanking, slapping, degrading and bullying are not moral qualities, yet, aspirants, if you are hazed, these things will happen to you. And there is no guarantee that you will not be expected to be hazed since the body of DST does things separate from what the head dictates on hazing disclaimers and such. Funny part of it all? These same “StrongBlackWomen” would probably never cower to a male domestic abuser; no never that. We won’t stand to let a man beat us, domestic abuse is a big taboo, but it is okay to let other grown women abuse you in the name of sisterhood, only for a short while, because after all you need to be broken down and rebuilt by Deltas so you can be another “blind faither” for the cause. Aspirants, you are responsible for you. Do not be a victim: the one who is enslaved by a beguiling system that talks out of both sides of its mouth. Be more informed than I was when I got involved. The principles of honesty, compassion and purity are but a few oxymoronic conflicts within this sorority. If I promise to “always protest against the double standard of morals” than I cannot condone hazing. Yet so many do, and will blame you for letting them do it to you. So, whose vows are really being violated?

    ASPIRANTS: do not share in the blame of hazing, because they will certainly not share the blame with you. They will not be CULPABLE as the Delta replied. Consider my words a wise warning; but your free will can lead you to whatever choice you ultimately decide to make.

    CHRISTIANS: If Minerva (the face of the Delta Crest) is the goddess of wisdom, what does that make Jehovah? Does He run second to HER?

  29. 29
    X-DELTA 

    Montecella response continued:

    Another note on “morally sound and Christian principled” BGLO corruption and duplicity:

    When I became involved in the underground hazing process, I started out as an interested person who went DST’s “community activities” and other social events. I put quotation marks around community activities because in hindsight these activities were actually smokescreens for a filtering process to select interested women for an upcoming line. In essence, these community activities were designed to benefit the chapter versus the community, in this “community based organization”. The reason why I say this is because after one particular event (I had been frequenting many of their activities) I was called back to one of their apartments and there were other young women there, thus beginning a testing period of pre-pledging. I was not introduced to any DST literature other than the published and available to the public book “In Search of Sisterhood” but I was introduced to hazing by way of non-sisterly treatment, running errands for chapter members, and being on call for whatever they wanted.

    This was supposed to reflect how badly I wanted it, but in hindsight, it only reflected their narcissism, in this “community based organization” (how’s that for an oxymoron—narcissism and community?). Hazing has nothing to do with community but it has everything to do with selfishness. While you are giving of yourself all throughout the hazing process, members are extorting your services so you can get in the organization. Membership, in many cases, is contingent upon this type of relationship. If hazing promotes humility and strong character, then why do they act like selfish tyrants? Do you ever wonder? Is this what aspirants aspire top be like? If so, then they need to rewrite the organization’s description.

    I was expected at that point, if I wanted to continue my DST quest to go with the flow. So I did. When the time came to actually have a formal Rush, the line had already been preselected! We were of course required to attend, told to ask questions, we even helped them prepare for it. So, in essence, the group who had complied with pre-hazing standards was the group to be chosen for the line. On the surface, however, it would appear that those pre-selected were actually just starting their quest at the Rush Activity, like everyone else. This process is not sanctioned by the Head of DST and demonstrates duplicity for the following reasons:

    Selection began before the Rush Activity.

    There was an ulterior motive for all chapter activities, and it wasn’t to get to know the members better in the sense of building a rapport or to serve the community; interested women were filtered based on their compliance with illegal hazing activities and were encouraged to lie about what was happening if they went along. At this point, there was no hazing disclaimer read, but there certainly was at the Rush Activity, which was a moot point since hazing had been going on all along.

    The initial step that I took in consideration for membership was not attending the Rush Activity; the chapter made their own “initial step” that conflicts with what it says on the official website.

    This experience was not congruent with what the official website says: “Our goal is to select women who not only meet the basic requirements, but also exceed them. Meeting basic requirements is the initial step in the Membership Intake Process”— unless exceeding basic requirements is code for “compliance with illegal hazing activities”.

    Where is the integrity? For those Deltas bothered by the stand that ex-members take and want to accuse and claim betrayal, I say this: there was never integrity present to begin with.

    The below information is what is supposed to happen (http://www.deltasigmatheta.org/index.asp):

    Obtaining Initial Information
    All chapters of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. host a meeting, commonly known as a Rush Activity, where interested women receive information about the sorority and how to become a member. The Rush Activity is hosted at the discretion of the local chapter. All persons interested in becoming a member of Delta Sigma Theta must attend the official Rush Activity. Any individual who does not attend the Rush Activity is ineligible to be considered for membership at that time.

    Interested persons are encouraged to attended public events hosted by the local chapters, such as forums, presentations, and community service and social activities, so that they may become acquainted with Sorority members and their activities in the local community.

  30. 30
    DivaQuay 

    Many of the people here talking about how DST is so evil or non-christian are very much so hypocrites themselves. First off, it is a sin to go back and forth arguing about the Word anyway.
    Jesus himself said you cannot force his teachings on anyone. And as a member of DST, the whole thing about worshipping Minerva is TOTALLY wrong!!! I am very much so a Christian. I am a Sunday School teacher and heavily involved in my church. My grandfather was a mason (which is said to be demonic as well) and he was a pastor of his church and a deacon for many years before that. He is accredited with helping many sinners come to Christ. I do agree that some stuff that happens in fraternities and sororities have gotten out of hand, but THIS IS ON THE INDIVIDUAL WHO SUBJECTS THEMSELVES TO SUCH BEHAVIORS.

    I do not bow down and worship Minerva. We were allowed to go to church and worship JESUS as much as we liked. I never strayed away from him when i was pledging as well as afterwards.

    You talk about being sisters and brothers with unholy members???? Come on, many of Jesus’ followers were once sinners. Paul himself KILLED many Christians but later became one of the most known crusader for Christ.

    I have helped many of my LS come to Christ. Now I’m not saying I was a saint but I didn’t let sorority life consume me. Nowhere in the Constitution or any DST document does it say Minerva is our leader!

    You also talk about oaths. Nowhere in it does it specifically say we swear to pledge allegiance to Minerva and we shall worship her. No!!!! We pledge to uphold principles that our founders believed was the reason for creating DST in the 1st place which was to better the community.

    I believe you should go back and read “In Search of Sisterhood” by Paula Giddings and see exactly how and why DST was made before you condemn our souls to hell!

    PS- Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Greek. His family was very much so Christians. When he took his oath, I’m sure if it had anything to do with worshipping other Gods he would’ve not joined or even if at the time he didn’t understand and only did it for social purposes, later in life as he got older and fully understood and preached the Gospel, he would’ve denounced his membership. But i don’t recall him doing that.

    People make decisions for yourself. You allow yourself to be consumed with the evils of the world. True believers and Christians wouldn’t allow it to happen. Do not let these select few people make up your minds. Pray about it and let God influence your decision

  31. 31
    admin 

    DQ
    Many of the people here talking about how DST is so evil or non-christian are very much so hypocrites themselves. First off, it is a sin to go back and forth arguing about the Word anyway.

    Min. H
    No one is arguing about the Word.

    DQ
    Jesus himself said you cannot force his teachings on anyone. And as a member of DST, the whole thing about worshipping Minerva is TOTALLY wrong!!! I am very much so a Christian. I am a Sunday School teacher and heavily involved in my church. My grandfather was a mason (which is said to be demonic as well) and he was a pastor of his church and a deacon for many years before that. He is accreditted with helping many sinners come to Christ. I do agree that some stuff that happens in fraternities and sororities have gotten out of hand, but THIS IS ON THE INDIVIDUAL WHO SUBJECTS THEMSELVES TO SUCH BEHAVIORS.

    Min. H
    So you are definitely a paper member?

    DQ
    I do not bow down and worship Minerva. We were allowed to go to church and worship JESUS as much as we liked. I never strayed away from him when i was pledging as well as afterwards.

    Min. H
    But one is free to worship Allah, Minerva, or any god they choose as much as they like to as well. DST has no problem with you worshiping who you want, because they preach religious pluralism.

    “We believe in a spiritual life but we leave to the individual the selection of the medium for its outward manifestation.”
    DST Ritual

    The context of this can be seen in the poem that follows which basically states that whatever you want to call God is up to you.

    “Socrates drinking hemlock
    And Jesus on the rood…..
    Some call it consecration
    And others cal it God.”
    DST Ritual

    Delta uses a poem to compare Socrates committing suicide, and Jesus being on the cross (rood) to consecration and godliness. Now it all makes sense when you read this statement from their ritual on the Jewel Ceremony of Purity.

    “Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive him to be.” DST Ritual

    WHATEVER YOU CONCEIVE GOD TO BE……….. This is about your sorority, not the different pools of individuals, which is a whole different story, but which can easily explain how these kind of things become or were originally a part of the sorority.

    DQ
    You talk about being sisters and brothers with unholy members???? Come on, many of Jesus’ followers were once sinners. Paul himself KILLED many Christians but later became one of the most known crusader for Christ.

    Min. H
    Let’s be real. All sinners who accept Christ were once sinners.

    Maybe God put some of us in DST to be a light for non-believers.

    Min. H
    MAYBE!!!!!!!!!!!! You can’t be light on the outside, without having to go through witchcraft-like rituals, practicing the Pagan Rituals of Kwanzaa, or [depicting God as MANY instead of one.]

    DQ
    I have helped many of my LS come to Christ. Now I’m not saying I was a saint but I didn’t let sorority life consume me. Nowhere in the Constitution or any DST document does it say Minerva is our leader!

    Min. H
    A mentor is not only a leader, but one who guides. As for your LS’s, will they pledge people like you all were pledged. When did you pledge and where?

    DQ
    You also talk about oaths. Nowhere in it does it specifically say we swear to pledge allegiance to Minerva and we shall worship her. No!!!! We pledge to uphold principles that our founders believed was the reason for creating DST in the 1st place which was to better the community.

    Min. H
    So, when is DST going to have programs promoting marriage before sex, anti-abortion programs, anti-homosexual programs, etc.

    DQ
    I believe you should go back and read “In Search of Sisterhood” by Paula Giddings and see exactly how and why DST was made before you condemn our souls to hell!

    Min. H
    No one has condemned you to hell and you know it. I specifically revised my book to remove this type of condemnation. If I have any of these type statements leftover, I will change them.

    DQ
    PS- Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Greek. His family was very much so Christians. When he took his oath, I’m sure if it had anything to do with worshipping other Gods he would’ve not joined or even if at the time he didn’t understand and only did it for social purposes, later in life as he got older and fully understood and preached the Gospel, he would’ve denounced his membership. But i don’t recall him doing that.

    Min. H
    Please go to the main page of my site and you will learn a lot about MLK, Jr. But let’s look at your National Chaplain, who endorsed a book that promotes fornication. You cannot rely on people to justify the existence of something.

    DQ
    People make decisions for yourself. You allow yourself to be consumed with the evils of the world. True believers and Christians wouldn’t allow it to happen. Do not let these select few people make up your minds. Pray about it and let God influence your decision

    Min. H
    True Christians and Believers would address the ungodly information in their rituals and DEMAND CHANGE.

  32. 32
    X-DELTA 

    In response to DivaQuay:

    DST BUSTED OPEN

    Minerva the Deity
    Minerva is a deity. To treat her as a mentor, even symbolically, and graphically I might add, is to acknowledge her divinity, because her entire existence is based in divinity. There are functions and processes named after her in the DST MIP. She has authority in DST, and even if we are speaking allegorically, the main trait of her divinity, WISDOM, is the lifeblood of DSTs purpose. They espouse wisdom as a key feature of their existence and they use Minerva as the face of this belief.

    Minerva may be a pagan deity, but Jehovah is The DEITY. He does not share His traits with other false gods, there is no compromise in that regard. Because He is the Alpha and the Omega, giving Minerva the deity any credit is an attempt to share HIS ABSOLUTE DIVINTY. Jehovah cannot be shared, symbolically or otherwise, with what is pagan. It starts and begins with Him.

    The act of worship is far more than bowing down…this is a rather rudimentary view of the act of worship. When referring to deities, worship can very well exist in more ways than just bowing down. Referring to another deity as a mentor, wearing her image and using her as a symbol for a greater idea for which you live, is a form of worship. Wisdom generates from God, not Minerva, if you are a Christian.

    “To thine own self be true” DST

    This should bother Christians who should deny thyself according to scripture.

    “A True soror is very patient very kind, her love for her sorors makes no parade, is never rude, puts on no airs, never defensive, always eager to believe the best…” DST

    I guess the writers never went to a set or took wood…

    “To find yourself you must lose yourself in living for a purpose which you fervently believe and in striving to attain some worthwhile goal related to the common good and to the highest Human Values” DST

    This totally undermines the great Commission, which is what Christians should be striving for. The Great Commission transcends human values and advocates Christ’s Values. Human values= self centered existence void of Christ as the focal point.

    “Being ever Ready to respond to the needs of the weak and unfortunate” DST

    Again, this is a conflict of interest for hazers who put their hands on others in order to build them up into stronger women. How can you respond to the needs of the weak and unfortunate when you actively work to make another human being weak for your own purposes?
    Another note—do fetuses count as weak and unfortunate? I know of DST women who have aborted and who have worked for Planned Parenthood. Fetuses cannot speak for themselves, yet every human began as a fetus. Where is the ever ready response to the weak and unfortunate in this case?

    “Nothing that lacks justice can be morally right” DST

    So what about underground hazing, which is illegal in DST and in addition to being punishable by law? To add to this, what about the HAZERS who silently assert innocence by not being vocally accountable for the part they play in the twisted haze game. It is an equally culpable situation, but the hazing recipients are always the first and only blamed while the parasitic hazers allow them to take the fall. COWARDICE and UNJUST. They have benefited from the haze game but will act like they never knew. If hazers are woman enough to do the crime, then they should be true to DST values and realize that:

    1.) it is unjust to commit a crime and walk away from your personal responsibility, and

    2.) It is wrong to commit the crime in the first place. But this contradictory paradigm only reflects the true obscure dishonesty at the core of the whole organization, so in this regard, DSTs are being “True to thine own self”…?
    According to this statement, DST is not morally right, based on the hazing realities that exist, even though they believe that “fidelity and truth are the most sacred excellencies and endowments of the human mind.” This later statement reflects yet another way the idea of holiness is tampered with…according to this statement,

    “the most holy gift of the human mind is truth and fidelity…” DST

    true holiness is rooted in Jesus Christ, and surrendering to Him is the way to true truth. One can be honest and loyal without being a follower of Christ. Christians be careful of what this means. They take Christ’s qualities and leave Christ behind. If you are not a Christian, this won’t matter much, but as a Christian everything that you do is rooted in Him first, and the fruit comes after that.

    “Immortal Omega Omega Chapter” DST

    The key word that should raise a red flag for any professing Christian is “immortal”. Non-Christians are not necessarily bothered by this, but according to scripture, it is appointed for all men to die, those who are saved by Christ will live again. If every Delta is not a Christian saved by Christ (and we know that they are not because,

    DST leaves “manifestations of faith” to the discretion of each soror),

    then this immortality spoken of is a fallacy. What is an immortal chapter? A place that never dies, with souls who never die? I don’t recall reading about this part of eternity in the Bible. As a Christian, this concept bothers me. DST have placed themselves in a position to own eternity, and God alone owns eternity and makes every decision therein. Read your Bible.

    “We believe the strength of any organization lies in the personal integrity and character of its individual members” DST

    If this is the case then the personal integrity and character of many DST women is questionable at the least and supremely diabolical at best—HAZERS to be exact. This statement only adds power to the assertion that this org perpetrates strength, yet when you get down to it, the inner function of many chapters is based on deceitful practices, organizational and spiritual defiance, and based on this statement above, there really is no true, honorable strength to refer to, only a lack of integrity. DST officials better do some undercover investigating if they are going to boast this claim.

    “Truthfulness to one’s own heart in determining the moral quality of all one’s thoughts and actions is the loftiest faculty if the human mind” DST

    Non-Christians are probably not bothered by this because many believe in inner divinity. However, being true to one’s own heart to determine the moral quality of one’s thoughts and actions is dangerous if you have no biblical foundation of truth. Unless your heart belongs to Christ (not Christ and Minverva by the way), being true to self can get us in a lot of trouble, because our sin nature would love to take over. We are natural sinners in need of supernatural power to defy human nature. This is why Paul advises that we should die to ourselves daily; without the Holy Spirit to guide our flesh, relying on our flesh is a bad idea. Even Paul demonstrated the complexity of the flesh when he said when I want to do good evil is right here with me in the book of Romans. The above is a very tricky statement because it presupposes that our ability to be true to self, or one’s own heart, is a prerequisite for evaluating the quality of thought and deed. If you are a Christian, then our thoughts and actions should be true to Christ, who is the blueprint for what is good, pure, and most importantly and far more necessary than moral—holy.

    As for the “loftiest faculty of the human mind”, I would say it is the ability to surrender all to Christ; this is the gateway to truthfulness and every other good deed to be done. We must decrease so that He can increase.

    “Temperance is the firm and moderate dominion of reason over passion and unrighteous impulses.” DST

    Do DST hazers represent this at set when giving strokes? Grown women who give spankings to other grown women are acting by unrighteous impulses. Similarly, a man who pulverizes his wife or girlfriend is an abusive monster, who acts by unrighteous impulses. Furthermore, what needs to be closely considered is the mental frame of mind behind such actions (the double standard that says it is okay to be abusive in certain situations to gain a means to an end).

    How can a DST be a “beacon of light” to abused women (one of the many great endeavors charged to these role-models and public servants) when they also abuse women? What kind of philanthropy is that? Christian or not, this double standard warrants the same reaction from both, if you are a decent and moral person.
    If all DST chapters do not haze, then DST has some bad representation. If the recipients of hazing are to be charged for allowing themselves to be hazed, how DARE any just or honest DST members walk away from their part in it. The pot cannot call the kettle black; that is hypocrisy. But DST says it all, and with this statement I concur: nothing that lacks justice can be morally right. They just told on themselves, because this alone unravels all the other moral tales espoused by the works based organization.

  33. 33
    X-Delta 

    Responses to a Christian Delta’s defense against ungodliness

    A. Bending God’s Standards to fit in with Carnal Standards

    •“…but let’s be real, the youth these days are out of control. We want them to be abstinent but we know that they are still having sex so we make sure they are at least being safe.” DivaQuay

    God never tolerated a compromise of holiness in the Bible. The entire Old Testament attests to how God punished the conciliation of ungodly standards with His righteousness in the countless examples of the children of Israel being in bondage, rebelling and being punished. If you cannot uphold God’s standards fearlessly in the face of popular carnality, then you are double-minded and two-faced if you call yourself a Christian.

    Fornication is as unholy now as it was when Jesus walked the Earth. He never told the woman at the well to, “wrap it up”, if she was going to keep on fornicating. He told the woman caught in adultery to go and sin no more. Why should today’s Christian message conform to safe sex if Christ’s never did? (Rhetorical). If an organization is to exemplify the pure standards of God’s Kingdom, there is no compromise, regardless of how pressing the reality of immorality is. Noah, building the Ark, shows a great example of how his devotion to God superseded what “everybody else” was thinking. Going with the majority is a sure way to the broad road of destruction. Broad denotes that many people go that way so the road has to be expansive in order to accommodate the masses. If you preach safe sex and abstinence then you are mixing truth and lies, and a drop of poison in a clear glass of water defects the entire glass; the water’s purity has been compromised. One drop of poison is all it takes to kill. A true Christian doesn’t care what the times dictate, because the gates of hell cannot go against the God’s Truth.

    B. Ministers cannot save you, including MLK: Hero Worship and Groupthink

    •“I come from a long line of ministers and neither of us see the problem.” DivaQuay

    It is important to view ministers in a proper manner. Too much reliance on what the preacher says or does can lead to a slippery slope of hero worship and can lead right to the broad road. Hero worship comes in all forms, but it is important to know that all men must work out their salvation with fear and trembling, according to Philippians. Good works, including the changing of civil rights legislation, is not the end all answer for godliness, and it certainly should not be the criteria for judging the carnality and spiritual compromise of BGLOs. The only Hero to worship is Christ and Christ alone. He, unlike MLK and other preachers/ministers (even those with legacy), went to Calvary and died for our souls. Obedience is better than sacrifice; obeying God supersedes all acts of community sacrifice, even the most monumental ones. If God dictates that idolatry is a sin (among other BGLO offenses), then it doesn’t matter if MLK agrees or disagrees with it, or any other preacher for that matter, because God saying it should be absolute enough.

    If a preacher has flawed theology (MLK), this is definitely a red flag, no matter how great his sacrifice to community was or is…Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light. There is an explicit connection between Satan disguising himself as an angel of light and the broad road that leads to destruction.

    Furthermore, this idea of trusting everything that a preacher says shows the very paradigm (willful blind allegiance) that makes all BGLOs weak. When I denounced, I realized that I was thinking opposite of the BGLO masses, but thinking alike is what gives these organizations their strength. There is a fine line between fellowship and groupthink. Groupthink has the ability to perpetuate corruption and manipulation (particularly of Christ’s gospel) and in the case of BGLOs this is what is happening.

    “I am the bomb as long as I go along, so I will continue to go along because I desperately want to be the bomb and until I rebel, this org will stay strong, even when I know things are wrong…”

    Ministers can’t save you; they cannot get you into heaven! Blessed is the man who trusts in Him(God). Jesus died for your sins and it is He who saves. While ministers have their place, they cannot debunk God’s truth; manipulation is a trick of the devil. Pastors/church lay leaders/ministers who are willingly involved in GLOs/masonry and other secret societies are infiltrators, and the blind will lead the blind if saints have no discernment. The truth is mighty and will prevail, even against sororities with over 100,000 members.

    C. “Your faith, my faith”; “Your Christianity, My Christianity”

    • “However, I do tell young ladies that if you feel that sorority life will compromise your beliefs as a Christian than don’t do it. It didn’t compromise mine.” DivaQuay

    This is probably the biggest underscore to why the church has become so tolerant of the world’s foolishness; because the church has watered down the strength of Christ’s principles to convenient Christianity, modified to fit the particular wants and whims of their human desires. Christ’s principles are not made of clay, to be tampered with and redone, they are the same and every Christian should have the same compliance. To juxtapose this idea, we are the clay to be molded and modified, yet when it comes to going against the sin nature, some would rather change Christ’s principles to fit human objectives than to change self for the upholding of Christ’s KINGDOM standards. Furthermore, if an organization is built on Christ’s principles, then one sister’s Christian beliefs ought to parallel scripture and fellow Christian sisters should be likeminded in this regard. So, you are willing to send off a Christian sister who upholds biblical truth to be yoked with sorors whose Christian faith is compromised? This makes no sense, according to Christian unity described in the Bible. This personalized Christianity equates to a bastardized version of Christianity where there is no cohesion in the ideals presented in God’s word, just customized religion. This is why promoting other things such as safe sex, hazing, Minerva worship, and lying continues to go on and supersedes the true foundation of Christ’s principles.

    D. Selfless pledge process? What a lie! Selfish Pledge Process

    • “My prophytes enjoyed us sticking together because the whole pledging process is about being selfless.” DivaQuay

    Is this selflessness supposed to parallel submission to Christ (facetiously rhetorical)? A Christian should really ask this question, because the purpose for submission during the pledge process is nowhere near comparable to submitting to Christ. If hazing promotes humility and strong character, then why do prophytes act like selfish tyrants? Do as I say, not as I do? Again, hypocrisy.

    E.Spending money versus pledging under the shadow of a false goddess mentor.

    • “If you take the dollar bill as an example. There are many references to Greek origins on it as well as George Washington’s face on the front. Are any of you Christians refusing to spend money? “ DivaQuay

    Spending money is hardly comparable to the use of Minerva as a symbol in DST. But, if one should naively attempt to compare spending money to worshipping a pagan god, Jesus told the Jews to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s…while you can worship money, using money as a resource is far different from giving your heart to money. Caesar’s face, who was a Roman pagan, was on the coin, yet Jesus knew that there was a difference in giving your heart to Caesar or his money and giving your heart to God, by whom we are fearfully and wonderfully made, in HIS image. Therefore, spending the dollar with George Washington’s face is not comparable to devoting you heart to George Washington or the symbols used unless you choose to place your heart in such things.

    DST chant: “Delta’s on my mind, Sigma’s not far behind, Theta is in my soul, DST is in control.”

    Unless a similar attitude prevails when spending George’s dollar, the comparison is far-fetched. It is a heart issue. Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. DSTs boast about their hearts belonging to the organization, which would be fine if there weren’t false claims of morality and the organization was purely Christian; this, however, is not the case, immorality litters the organization in more ways than one. Actions, works, and deeds carried out in DST may in part appear as wholesome and moral, but the roots and covert activities need careful consideration.

    F.Abraham as the Father of Faith compared to Minerva, the mentor

    • “When we credit Abraham as the Father of faith does that mean we discredit Jesus whom took the ultimate leap of faith when he came to save us from our sins? I don’t think so.” DivaQuay

    Abraham being the father of faith is used in Hebrews to demonstrate the type of faith Christians should have…sort of like the blind faith that members of BGLOs have towards their founders…except Christians are charged to have this type of obedient faith to Jesus Christ, not Minerva the wise mentor…

    G. Conclusion

    DST manipulatively re-orchestrates FIDELTY from God to their founders, who established an entire entity built upon Minerva, Masonic rituals, lofty ideals of moral supremacy, and Christian principles. And Christian Principles? Can Christ’s principles be validly placed in the same category as these?

    When I divorced myself from the system, I was able to see very plainly obvious conflicts of interest with Christianity, starting with Minerva and ending with so much contradiction between what they espouse and what they do that the hypocrisy created a rank stench.

    ****Furthermore, I did not have to consult other members of BGLOs, ministers, civic leaders or otherwise to arrive at that conclusion. I just had to: 1) be real with God and His word, and 2) think for myself.******

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    Minister H 

    Response to DivaQuay-
    This member of DST and myself have had a numerous amount of exchanges via e-mail. I have serious issues with the safe sex agenda, aside from the fact it promotes SINFUL behavior. Here are a set of questions I asked and statements she made and my responses to them. Then I strongly suggest you read this study done at Rutgers, and ask yourself, ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT FORNICATION IS SIN,

    can “SAFE SEX”, NOW LABELED, “SAFER SEX” (about 15 years later), BE CONSIDERED SAFE AT ALL? http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/safesex.html

    I asked Taquavia,

    1.) Can you tell me the purpose of contraception as opposed to a condom?

    She did not answer the question. It’s in the word contraception. Condoms were not MANUFACTURED TO KEEP OUT VIRUSES AND BACTERIA. Their main purpose was to prevent pregnancy since this was taboo decades ago. It was the advent of numerous diseases that condoms “BECAME” THE HERO FOR THE SAFE SEX MESSAGE. The problem, CHRISTIANS HAVE BOUGHT INTO THE FOOLISHNESS. This is what makes any organization dangerous.

    [2.) Would you help a young lady pay for a safe and legal abortion? She answered no. I had a specific reason for this, which is disucssed below when I refer to absolute morality. Here is the issue. As you will see below, there is plenty of hemming and hawing about abstinence, but still will give condoms, OR PROMOTE THEIR USE, to girls who are going to do it anyway.

    This is why I aske the above question. She obviously believes that fornication is wrong, but will promote it under the deception of a person doing it regardless of her belief it is wrong. So why not do the same with abortion? Why not help pay for an abortion that will be safe, instead of using a coat hanger? Now maybe she will see this one day, and say that she would pay. BUT, recommending them to an adoption agency is useless if the girl says she is going to the abortion mill.

    "No one in my family believes in abortions so she know that is out of the question." Taquavia

    Minister H
    I hope you, nor your family believes in fornication either, but it's not out of the question?

    So on one hand, Taquavia is for helping the fornicator have safe sex( i.e. fornicate safely), while on the other hand unwilling to help her deal with the consequences of these girls' free will.]

    3.) Give her a ride to the clinic? She said no.
    See answer in brackets above

    4.) Would you supply with or tell one of your girls all the necessary tools to rob a liquor store?
    She said no. Why not help her plan, give her the proper equipment, etc. to do the job safely?

    5.) What if one of the girls you told about safe sex, engages in sex safely, but comes up HIV+?

    Minister H
    She answers it in the exact way I expected, and the only way she could, I told you so, but with no accountability that she gave them the tools to do it safely. Notice her answer,

    “But I teach my girls about risks and consequences. So if my daughter comes up HIV+ or pregnant, trust me she knows that those are the risks when you have sex.” Taquavia

    “We want them to be abstinent but we know that they are still having sex so [we make sure they are at least being safe." Taquavia

    Safe from HIV, but not Revelation 21:8

    Minister H
    Where's the word safe before sex? Where is I am sorry for acquiescing to the Word of God and telling you that it's simply wrong, and I will not give you a substitute to His Word. How about, I am sorry I ever allowed you to think even 1% that you SHOULD use this.

    You see, if my boys came to me screaming HIV+, they could never say, "but dad, you gave me, or told me to use a condom". They could only say, what Taquavia said, without her personal accountability, You told us God's way, you told us about man's alternatives of lies and risks, but you never encouraged us to have safe sex.

    Taquavia said, "but let's be real, the youth these days are out of control."

    Minister H
    You know what these girls are probably telling their boyfriends; "I got these condoms from a Delta who's a Christian at a Delta Sigma Theta Safe Sex Program".

    Taquavia,

    "This isn't a matter of "are condoms and contraceptives full proof?" And no I wouldn't do any of the things you named. I do not believe in abortions. I teach my daughters and the young ladies in my program the same thing. I tell them to practice abstinence. They go and do their own thing because sadly society has more influence than we do. But I teach my girls about risks and consequences. So if my daughter comes up HIV+ or pregnant, trust me she knows that those are the risks when you have sex. No one in my family believes in abortions so she know that is out of the question. But for my other girls who would be completely devastated, I tell them other options such as adoption."

    Min. H
    If you let people talk long enough, you find out a great many things. When the application of absolute morality is involved, things take a different turn. This young lady has stated that if a girl is going to have sex, she would suggest

    "As far as programs about the things you mentioned, we do promote abstinence but let's be real, the youth these days are out of control. We want them to be abstinent but we know that they are still having sex so [we make sure they are at least being safe.]”

    “We don’t tell them to just go ahead and keep having sex. One of my messages is to ask for forgiveness and practice celibacy but if those people are not christians or whatever, [I tell them to at least be safe.]” Taquavia

    Minister H
    I believe that Taquavia would also offer these sinners salvation before a condom. The very person she is trying to be a witness for is being a witness for Satan the moment safe sex is mentioned. Christians cannot compromise on the behalf of sinful people, and that is what safe sex is coming from a believer.

    Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,

    John 12:32

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    definite 

    i am a high school junior and i am dying to pledge when i make it to college. i do not understand how you got to be a part of the wonderful organization and then turn around and something like this.

    Min.H
    Let me warn you that if you decide to pledge, you are the one that will get twisted.

    “i am dying to pledge” definite
    It’s happened before.

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    Logic 

    I personally just find all of this very sad. To see a person so into the church, a minister, speak this way about other human beings is appalling and quite frankly, rather embarrassing. I am not a christian but I have a spirituality and am a believer in God.

    Min. H
    I suggest you read what God has to say about you not believing on His Son.
    John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    And quite franky after reading this, if I ever thought about being a christian, I have definately rejected the idea.

    Min. H
    If you read some of the things Jesus said, you would feel the same way. There’s a difference. He will judge you!!!!!!!!!!! Listen to what He said,

    John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    Matthew 12:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

    In Matthew 23, Jesus calls the scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES”, ABOUT 7 TIMES, and then calls them MURDERERS.

    I dont know what you see when you read this, but all i see is hatred. Hatred for people who are not like you or who dont have the same beliefs as you. I see hatred, segregation, judging, bias, and religious elitism (which is funny because you criticized greek elitism). You, “person of God”, should learn to love all.

    Min. H
    You call me judgmental, yet you are doing the exact same thing.

    Have and retain your beliefs and continue to due your christian duties, but dont condemn others if they have different faith.

    Min. H
    Poeple of other faiths are already condemned, but it is not wrong to condemn the faith they believe in, John 14:6 is Jesus’ declaration that all other faiths are worthy of condemnation.

    Everyone doesn’t have to be like you. You can come together with someone of different beliefs for a positive common cause without compromising your own personal faith.

    Min. H
    Under very limited circumstnaces, I would agree with you there.

    Let go of your tunnel-visioned perspective and open your mind. But if your religion prevents you from doing this then that’s just sad.

    Min. H
    Does your religion deny the sole divinity of Jesus, His Virgin Birth, and bodily Resurrection?
    If that makes me sad, then I am glad to be sad.

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    Logic 

    Well it is not my intention to argue with you. I could easily discredit everything you have just written, but what’s the point? At the end of the day you will still believe what you do, and I will still believe what I believe, as we both should. All that I am saying is don’t consider yourself so high above others because of whatever you feel about your religon. We are all human beings and all God’s creation.

    Min. H
    It is not me who you must discredit, it is Jesus Christ. He is the one above all. So at the end of the day, He’s going to be who He is, and without Him, we are nothing. So since He sets the status quo, get in line or…………….

    Now as pertaining to benig His creation, you are once again correct. But you are not His unless you believe in Him, and not just mental ascent.

  38. 38
    Каталог статей 

    I apologise, but, in my opinion, you are not right. Let’s discuss it. Write to me in PM, we will communicate.

  39. 39
    Logic 

    Like I said, you will have your beliefs and I will have mine. It will remain this way. I am perfectly in line with MY spirituality. This brings me peace and provides me with all that I need.

    Min. H
    If it is not Jesus Christ, you have nothing.

  40. You are right, it is exact

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    Logic 

    Katanor(?) was your comment directed to me or the other person?

    And “Min. H.”, you are rude very disrespectful. Your last comment was unnecessary. If you’ve noticed I have not truly put down your religion once because I have more respect for other people than you apparently do. I have everything. Whether you accept this or not means absolutely NOTHING to me. As I have discovered I am better person than you, I will continue to take the high road and stay respectful of your religion, but I hope you do mature one day.

  42. 42
    admin 

    As you may not have noticed or known, I am quoting the Bible. So I am not upset about you calling me rude. Taking any road other than Jesus leads to nowhere.

    John 3:3

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    Christian Girl 

    I Am a christian successful business woman. I attend church and am a leader in the church. I faithfully read the bible and allow the Holy Spirit to lead and guide me. I have recently desired to join a Graduate Chapter of DST. I have found that christians who are college educated, successful and trying to pave ways for the generations to come after me are hated by blacks. (Especially Christians) I find it very hard to get support from other “believers”. They go out of their way to try to bring me to their level. I love them through the extension of God’s love, but it’s hard. I know that the favor of God will continue to cover me and my family. However, I have found that I need the fellowship and support of college educated women who support each other and who I can join collective efforts. I want to always do what’s right and pleasing in God’s eye sight. I know that the bible states that we should not forsake ourselves among other believers. Does this mean the same thing for those who don’t believe in walking as God’s children and the abundance of his glory? Should I go without seeking the support of other women like myself when DST clearly has a history of sisterhood? Please respond ASAP, because the application is due soon.

  44. 44
    admin 

    I Am a christian successful business woman. I attend church and am a leader in the church. I faithfully read the bible and allow the Holy Spirit to lead and guide me. I have recently desired to join a Graduate Chapter of DST. I have found that christians who are college educated, successful and trying to pave ways for the generations to come after me are hated by blacks. (Especially Christians) I find it very hard to get support from other “believers”. They go out of their way to try to bring me to their level. I love them through the extension of God’s love, but it’s hard. I know that the favor of God will continue to cover me and my family. However, I have found that I need the fellowship and support of college educated women who support each other and who I can join collective efforts.

    Min. H
    If you want to join in collective efforts that do not lift up the name of Jesus, what will you do then? If you are a leader, then I can tell you that it’s often lonely up there. When you say you desire support in certain efforts, how will you be able to turn a blind eye to passing out condoms for HIV awareness (i.e. support fornication). How will you feel when you turn the sorority sisters down who want to attend a Buddhist Worship service, after they attended your church?

    I want to always do what’s right and pleasing in God’s eye sight. I know that the bible states that we should not forsake ourselves among other believers. Does this mean the same thing for those who don’t believe in walking as God’s children and the abundance of his glory?

    Min. H
    If a person does not choose God’s offer of salvation, they are condemned already. Are you realy prepared to be unequally yoked with unbelievers. They do not mind you compromising, but they will surely mind if you bring up an abstinence only (no mention of condoms if you are going to do it anyway). There is a greater consequence than HIV; Sin-ETERNAL SUFFERING, etc. Are you will to propose a programs that is anti-abortion, pro-life, pro-adoption, as well as anti-homosexual, anti-same sex unions/marriage? If you want to affect change in a generation, Greek Life is not the way to do it.

    Should I go without seeking the support of other women like myself when DST clearly has a history of sisterhood?

    The church has a sisterhood/brotherhood as well. I believe it unfortunate that the Pope-like system has been set up where the Pastor is the only one who prospers and dictates from the pulpit. I have found great fellowship among believers outside of the church. I am not a member of a local church right now, but I do not feel out of touch with Christ. I have brothers and sisters in Christ to fellowship with.

    Please respond ASAP, because the application is due soon.

    Call me- 919/278-8911 after 9:00 p.m.

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    Soon2BeOne 

    Dear X-Delta,

    I think that it is really immature of you to post a blog like this. I am a member of one Greek Letter Organization that is not apart of the Divine Nine, and I feel that you are totally misleading people that are not apart of GLO. The organizations were created for a purpose. It is up to the MEMBERS of the organization to fufill that purpose. As the statement goes, “Once a Sister, always a sister.” It really doesn’t matter that you were asked to be removed, becaus some people will always label you as such. I think that you are not sucure in your choice. If you were you would not keep going back and for with people trying to justify your decision or deter others from joining. It’s sounds as if you are weak minded and you just need people to assure you that you make the right decision. You are looking for a sense of belonging and when you didn’t find it amongst the members of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. you decided to look elsewhere. You need to stop trying to apply a Bible verse to every response. You Really are Wrong because you indeed are trying to argue or force the Word and that is a sin in itself. No man is perfect and will never be. Even though you are Saved that doesn’t mean that you don’t sin, knowingly and unknowingly.
    You are a hypocrite, that’s clear, because you just called someone paper. If you are not a member, why would you care about anyone being paper or plastic. If you allowed them to haze you that’s your problem. Get over it. It’s really not that serious, and I can speak on it because I have been on both sides of the fence.
    I am asking for God’s blessing because in the near future, I hope to be a member of a BGLO. I will work in the organization and do everything I PLEDGED and took an OATH to do.
    Please get over yourself. Just because you can quote the sccriptures doesn’t mean that you are a Christian. Satan knows the Word like believers know the word. Continue to work on the inner man and stop taking things so literal.

  46. 46
    X-DELTA 

    Response from X-Delta
    I am not a hypocrite because I repented; I am not afraid to tell you what BGLOs privately promote in spite of what they publicly deny…you got it twisted, they are hypocrites

    Every purpose is not a good purpose, and any purpose outside of God’s is a pathway to hell

    Good works do not get you into heaven

    The jewels and higher principles are good on paper in these organizations, but the outward behaviors brought on by hazing make a mockery of these lofty ideals, which tells me that there is a hidden agenda…

    My inner man could never be better because I got rid of the superficial junk that polluted the truth of God…it set me free because it was revelatory… that is what will matter on judgment day…my inner man is better off today than when I was involved in the foolishness of pledging

    I was a fool once, an insecure fool who thought that the approval of other women was worth being physically abused and manipulated for… this was immature—and self destructive as well…and while they promote community outwardly, they privately condone all kinds of non-community like conduct in order to “make” members…this is foolishness…and hypocrisy, and the people who have died at the hands of these shape-shifters and tricksters called hazers lost their lives for such an unworthy are now at the point of no return; someone needs to stop playing games and start telling the truth…

    Misleading? I am telling you what members of BGLOs hide from you, and I know because I went through it and have the courage to tell the truth while these BGLO COWARDS hide behind noble concepts that they don’t have the integrity to uphold…you find out that they are liars when you are bent over getting spanked….of course they don’t warn you of this because they refuse to accept personal responsibility but love to be lifted up as moral heroes, per their jewels and oaths…and if you go along with the program, then you may as well be a victim of domestic abuse, or a slave on a plantation to scared to ask why, and if you don’t see the problem with the constant double standards of morality, then you are weak minded just the way the like ‘em…I was weak minded once…not ashamed to say it, but that is not the case now…when you change for Jesus, old things are passed away…

    I will not stop speaking the truth, I do not care what you or others think of me, I have a responsibility to God not you…I am not looking to belong to anyone’s social group or community service gang, I belong to the Kingdom of God, and this is good enough for me…this is the source of my security (not “secure-ity” by the way), but the carnal minded do not understand such a thing because they desperately rely and thrive on false bonds contrived by man…

    I am not going back and forth, I am an opponent to what I once foolishly partook in…letting people use and manipulate you so you can do community service and be their “kin” is such a convoluted oxymoron that wreaks of psychological fallacy and dysfunction

    Do what you will, but the truth will set you free if you want it to…I pray God Bless you to get a clue

  47. 47
    Me 

    Shea
    You really need to grow up. Do you really have to sit and address each line of everyone’s comments? You are immature. You looked for membership for a sense of belonging. When you didn’t get that you decided to just speak negatively about the entire organization. As someone who is supposed to be a Christian that is not right.

    Min. H
    You are not really saying much here to comment on, but please re-read the statements made by those you are judging. I believe you will see that your assessments hold maybe a grain of truth.

    Shea
    You are really judgemental and it seems like you are bitter. You are going to be judged for all this nonsense you are writing.

    Min. H
    Now didn’t you just judge. “You are immature.” But you will say that you are just stating facts and ot judging. I know the game, heard it thousands of times

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    linae 

    I am a born-again Christian. I am a member of DST. I pledged not fully being aware of taking an ‘oath’ and being in covenant was contrary to God’s word. However, it’s called repent and move on. You see, DST doesn’t define who I am. I’m an Heir of the Kingdom of God. So, I am to demonstrate love and live holy. I am not ‘financial’ as a Delta and do not attend meetings because unfortunately for me, the chapter I am under shows favoritism and inconsistency in treatment. In other words, thou I have not paid dues, but tried to continue to give my time in service to various projects-I was rejected. That is not ‘sisterly’ behavior. So, I don’t require an organization in order to do good things in the community. As a child of God, I am commisioned to do good. I am not denouncing DST. Because I believe that our Founders were sincerely attempting to build something great for black women. Again consider the time inwhich DST was founded. Blacks suffered inadequate education, substandard living conditions, we could not vote, we were not paid equal wages, oftentimes we did not receive credit for our contributions to this nation, and were trying not to be lynched. (Hmm, sounds alot like modern times) Just know who you are in God and understand, nothing, not even membership in an organization should take priority over a relationship with God-because then you are at fault for idolatry.

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    admin 

    linae
    I am a born-again Christian. I am a member of DST. I pledged not fully being aware of taking an ‘oath’ and being in covenant was contrary to God’s word. However, it’s called repent and move on.

    Min. H
    Or is it repent and move on, and watch others do it? Oh, you pledged!!!!!!! Let’s see what you say about that.

    linae
    You see, DST doesn’t define who I am. I’m an Heir of the Kingdom of God. So, I am to demonstrate love and live holy. I am not ‘financial’ as a Delta and do not attend meetings because unfortunately for me, the chapter I am under shows favoritism and inconsistency in treatment. In other words, thou I have not paid dues, but tried to continue to give my time in service to various projects-I was rejected.

    Min. H
    Why were you rejected? Not being financial means you as well as they deny their oaths. Why remain a Delta, when they are truly acting in accordance with who they are?

    linae
    That is not ’sisterly’ behavior. So, I don’t require an organization in order to do good things in the community. As a child of God, I am commisioned to do good. I am not denouncing DST. Because I believe that our Founders were sincerely attempting to build something great for black women.

    Min. H
    By using Minerva as the sorority mentor, it was doomed to fail. It was a rejection of the true God from the start. It has led to the newer rituals incorporating more paganism attached directly to Minerva (muses and graces for example). Your founders did nothing to stop the pledge process. Forward movement was more important than human dignity.

    linae
    Again consider the time in which DST was founded. Blacks suffered inadequate education, substandard living conditions, we could not vote, we were not paid equal wages, oftentimes we did not receive credit for our contributions to this nation, and were trying not to be lynched. (Hmm, sounds a lot like modern times) Just know who you are in God and understand, nothing, not even membership in an organization should take priority over a relationship with God-because then you are at fault for idolatry.

    Min. H
    Does sound like modern times and DST is doing nothing to help stop the ABORTION CRISES, FORNICATION (INSTEAD THEY PROMOTE SAFE SEX), HIV-AIDS/HOMOSEXUALITY, etc. Hmmm! Sounds no different than some Christians……… How Delta defines God is a clear factor in why their organization is a moral failure. Your own National Chaplain is a promoter of adultery and fornication. Has she ever addressed the 48% unmarried rate?

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    XDelta 

    Hello. I am an ex-member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority. Although initially I was eager to join the sorority because my sister was a member and at the time I believed that through the Sorority I could grow, I quickly realized during the beginning stages of the initiation process that something was not quite right about the organization. Nonetheless, I continued through the process and even became an initiate, still being convicted in my heart.

    In a way I feel betrayed by the organization because on the “outside” everything sounds so good! Christian organization, community service, sisterhood…but when one gets on the “inside” you quickly learn that the outward appearence of the org. is just that-a facade.

    I thought I did my research. But truthfully, one will never really know what the org. is really about unless they are initiates. DST claims to be based on Christian precepts, yet the whole Sorority, its structure and principles is based on PAGAN ideals. There is (what I call a devotional service) where several hymnals are sung dedicated to “DELTA” (with lit candles and everything) before and after each meeting. In one of the required readings the passage of Corinthians from the Bible is perverted to fit “Delta’s” ideals. It’s absolutely appalling.

    And the whole sisterhood thing is pure bs. real talk. Members within chapters are very clique-orientated, and many of your “big sisters” or prophytes who are supposed to treat you as equals when you cross still treat you like subordinates even after you cross. And as for my ls, there was a lot of belittling and back biting, but when we got in each others faces its like we’re all cool. People weren’t being sincere. And as someone mentioned, in the sorority, love is very conditional. Act “right”, go with the flow and you will be accepted. Go against the grain and you’re an outsider, ridiculed and rejected.

    When scruitinized through a Christian lense, there is no way one can defend greek organizations as being Christian-based on their principles and doctrine alone. I’ll put it this way-the Bible says you can’t serve two masters. And while being part of the organization, I very much felt like I was serving two masters. Delta being one, with minerva as the head, and God.

    Bottom line-DST is a self serving organization founded on pagan principles veiled under christian precepts, community service and the bond of sisterhood. I wholeheartedly believe greek organizations are another of satan’s traps whose purpose is to recruit unknowing young adults into idoltry under the mask of community service and Christian ideals. Because many fail to look past the surface of what’s being propagated to us to try to uncover the deeper spiritual implications of what these org.’s are truly promoting, it’s the perfect trap.

    I sent my renunciation letter to DST headquarters several days ago, and I am convicted to spread this message to fellow students on campus, however, I am conflicted over how is the best way to reach people. Many students-esp. those in the orgs hold a bind loyalty to these organizations, so whatever you say (no matter how reasonable) will be seen as irrational in their eyes. I know there will definitley be a backlash when I decide to go public, but I am not concerned with that. I just want to make sure I go about this the smart way. Anyone have any suggestions

    Note: as far as I know I am the only one on campus who has denounced the organization.

  51. 51
    DSTLIVEFIVE 

    As I scroll through this exhaustive post, I am shocked at how much effort has really been put into this. I also am a member of DST and can honestly say that I was a good person before joining, and an even more dedicated and stronger person now. There is a fine line between Christianity and life, and any Christian knows that the Bible is not to be taken word for word. It is to be interpreted, and implemented. If we all tried to follow it word for word, we would not be able to function as the humans that we are and God created us to be. It is unfortunate to see that the X-Deltas made the decisions that they did, I’m sure it was what you felt was right. I crossed in the midwest, and then moved to the south and noticed many changes in Delta. What I do not understand is why you feel the need to go on and on in detail, sharing intimate information just to prove your point. Everything is not for everyone. Nobody is treated equally and we all go through life experiences. But you have made you decision and allowed people to be aware of it. Why do you feel obligated to repeatedly elaborate and put the Sorority down? Besides all the deep thinking that had to be invested in your responses, I want people to know it is OK to be a devout Christian woman and a Delta. Most of us are. The perceptions being revealed on this blog are true to some extent, but do shadow some of the most wonderful things the organization has done worldwide for almost the last 100 years. And that IS a fact. Detailed information can be found in “In Search of Sisterhood”. Again, I feel saddened that whatever happened to you keeps driving you back here to defend yourself after every comment that is made, but for those who are obvious to the world of BGLO’s it can be an enlightening, spiritual and moving experience. The women I crossed with are truly my ‘sisters’. I moved across the country and had instant ‘sisters’ that took me in their too. Delta Sigma Theta is a beautiful thing if you are strong enough to let it be.

  52. 52
    Minister H 

    DSTLIVE
    As I scroll through this exhaustive post, I am shocked at how much effort has really been put into this. I also am a member of DST and can honestly say that I was a good person before joining, and an even more dedicated and stronger person now. There is a fine line between Christianity and life, and any Christian knows that the Bible is not to be taken word for word.

    Min. H
    You mean all the places that speak against your personal desires that are sinful, or judge you. The Bible is to be taken literally when it is speaking literally. This is a cliche found used among the many believers who do not study for themselves, and take someone elses’ word for it. So no, not all Christians know or believe your statement to be true.

    DSTLIVE
    It is to be interpreted, and implemented. If we all tried to follow it word for word, we would not be able to function as the humans that we are and God created us to be.

    Min. H
    So we are just supposed to walk around groping in darkness? It is to be interpreted, but context is the key. The writers had a purpose for saying what they said. It’s not for us to twist their words for our own doing. Is what Jesus said about Hell, figurative or literal? Do you believe Jehovah’s Witnesses are Christains? If you do, then I can see why you believe what you do. If you do not, then what are they guilty of? Misinterpretation!!!!!!!!! So, the proper interpretation is important. By the way, it didn’t take much to come up with that example, Jesus is Lord and God.

    DSTLIVE
    It is unfortunate to see that the X-Deltas made the decisions that they did, I’m sure it was what you felt was right. I crossed in the midwest, and then moved to the south and noticed many changes in Delta. What I do not understand is why you feel the need to go on and on in detail, sharing intimate information just to prove your point.

    Min. H
    I do not understand why Deltas had to comment on her initial post. If it is what it is, then let it be. What point are they and yourself trying to prove?

    DSTLIVE
    Everything is not for everyone. Nobody is treated equally and we all go through life experiences. But you have made you decision and allowed people to be aware of it. Why do you feel obligated to repeatedly elaborate and put the Sorority down?

    Min. H
    Now we get to the real problem. I can say it’s for the very same reasons you are posting. By the way, I must ASSUME you are PAPER. A good person would not pledge.

    DSTLIVE
    Besides all the deep thinking that had to be invested in your responses, I want people to know it is OK to be a devout Christian woman and a Delta. Most of us are.

    Min. H
    It’s okay to swing wood and be a Delta too. Well, before 1990! But it still is today. No BGLO can seem to shake that hazing flu. Then why are most grown Deltas unmarried? Why does DST promote fornication through safe sex under the deception and disguise of medical health? A DEVOUT Christian would never do such, but they do. So the question must be asked, what kind of believers do we have in DST, the thousands of churches in America, etc. What are babes being taught?

    DSTLIVE
    The perceptions being revealed on this blog are true to some extent, but do shadow some of the most wonderful things the organization has done worldwide for almost the last 100 years. And that IS a fact. Detailed information can be found in “In Search of Sisterhood”.

    Min. H
    DST is silent or a vocal enabler of immorality. Out of a sorority of 200,000+ women, you all cannot speak up for the unborn? Yet, ALL DELTAS SWORE AN OATH TO BE A VOICE FOR THE WEAK AND HELPLESS. Do you remember that? Out of 200,000+ women, mmost of which you say are Christian, cannot PUBLICLY denounce the sorority for its policy of promoting fornication (SIN)?

    DSTLIVE
    Again, I feel saddened that whatever happened to you keeps driving you back here to defend yourself after every comment that is made, but for those who are obvious to the world of BGLO’s it can be an enlightening, spiritual and moving experience.

    Min. H
    Spiritual in what way? Be at peace with God, WHATEVER you conceive Him to be? Is that spiritual?

    DSTLIVE
    The women I crossed with are truly my ’sisters’. I moved across the country and had instant ’sisters’ that took me in their too. Delta Sigma Theta is a beautiful thing if you are strong enough to let it be.

    Min. H
    What is the relationship based on? By the way, X-Deltas aren’t the only ones who resopnd.

  53. 53
    18yrs 

    I appreciate all of this information but I truly believe that if someone doesn’t have the strength to be there own person and still be apart of a group then they shouldn’t put themselves in that situation. Children are suppose to be impressional and naive not grown women. I want to be a member of DST because of my own reasons I’ve done research but that only goes so far. You must first know yourself as an individual and as a woman of power, pride, and confidence. I dnt believe it’s right to discourage ppl from joining ALL GREEK ORGANIZATIONS because of one chapter that obviously did not hold true to their word. It’s ashame and I don’t believe for one instance that it cannot happen to me but I feel my mother has instilled enough sense in me and I am grown enough to not let ppl walk all over me and hurt me both physically and mentally. Perhaps the bible should have been a concern while you were going through that process rather than now in attempt to bad-mouthing an entire organization

  54. 54
    admin 

    To the poster, “Dirty Red” please repost, as I may have accidentally erased your post. You can e-mail me directly at glos_havebeenexposed@yahoo.com

    I apologize!!!!

  55. 55
    Sharon 

    I pray you all feel just as strongly against, Easter, Halloween, Valentine’s Day and Christmas which are all pagan holidays! Let’s not even talk about MLK Day, which is idolatry.

    I’m so tired of all the so called Christians who pick and choose the things to be against. So if you’re not against them all, just keep it to yourself you Hypocrites!

  56. 56
    Dirty Red 

    Me and my wife have been married for 10 years. We dated for 6 years before we got married. We have two beautiful daughters. My wife has pledged in the after graduate chapter of zeta phi beta. She told me the reason why that they have a bunch of christian women who are members. She also said that the zeta’s do a lot of community service for the children. We are a christian family, and my wife has a very soft heart when it comes to helping others. I asked her to do some research on this organization before she joined. She just really believed the women because most of the zeta’s are church women. My first problem with this is that you do not bring secrets into a 10 years marriage. This is a secret society sisterhood. She was told to wear all white the night she pledged. That was my second problem because it shows her purity as a christian. They asked her during the ceremony if she would accept zeta phi beta into her heart and profess it until her death! After all of the women said yes, they told them toget on their knees and bow their heads. They then gave them a white bible with zeta phi beta stamped on the bottom right corner of the front cover. They were told to place their hands on the cover and pledge an oath to zeta phi beta. After the pledge, they opened the bible and read a scripture while still on their knees. I have looked at the booklet they gave her after she pledged. It is all written down in black and white what she had to do on that night. It is called “The Course of study lessons for new members of zeta phi beta sorority, inc.” When they say the sorority hymn, the second stanza of the hymn is not to be sung in public. It says that the oath shall be slowly and solemnly repeated while sorors are kneeling. The closing prayer is said while kneeling and the sorors will repeat in unison. When she told me all of this, my heart dropped! I asked her if she thought that this was wrong in the eyes of god. You do not bow before no one but god. They asked her to accept zeta phi beta into her heart, but god wants all of your heart. I told her that i feel as if she has brought the devil into our home. I told her that i do not and will not ever have anything to do with that sorority. I will not go to any of the functions that the husbands are allowed to attend. Three days later, she had to attend another secret ceremony. She said it was for the official “Crossover”. That night they did some more rituals and then showed them their secret handshake, hand signs, and how to charge another member to know if they are real. We have been at odds over this for a while. God has told me that what she has done is wrong. I told her that once the devil has entered your house he will divide and conquer. He already has us divided and don’t know how long it will be before our marriage is conquered. She has said that she will just go inactive, but i think she needs to denounce this devil. She said that some of her co-workers are now soror sisters and she will be embarrassed if she denounced zeta. She also said that she does not want to have to walk in shame for denouncing zeta. I would rather walk a life in shame and accept god than have all my good works fall on gods deaf ears. Everything she has now, has a zeta stamp on it. I told her that is where the idolatry starts. That is where the worshipping begins. All of the things that the Zeta’s do is done in the name of zeta and not in the name of god. I told her that if she really wanted to quit, then she would get rid of all of the zeta items. She has not done that yet. That is why I feel that she is secretly still being a part of the zeta’s. I am trying to fight this, but this is becoming to be a huge problem. I told her that scriptures in the bible have given me all of the answers why she should denounce this sisterhood! I then told her to find some scriptures in the bible why she should still be a member. She has not found any yet! Please help me help my wife.

  57. 57
    admin 

    “I pray you all feel just as strongly against, Easter, Halloween, Valentine’s Day and Christmas which are all pagan holidays! Let’s not even talk about MLK Day, which is idolatry.

    I’m so tired of all the so called Christians who pick and choose the things to be against. So if you’re not against them all, just keep it to yourself you Hypocrites!” Sharon

    Is that how you feel? Christians do not have to pick and choose, it’s called discernment. Nothing changes the reality of what something is, it’s the individuals worldview that makes the difference.

    By the way, who are you addressing?

  58. 58
    IMAPYT2 

    I hope everyone that thinks they want to join a frat or sorrority, do their own research and make up their own minds. I am a member of DST and I was not hazed at all during the pledge process nor has anyone been hazed that has come after me. Since becoming a Delta, I have devolped many STRONG friendships with intelligent, beautiful, GOD fearing black women and I wouldn’t change a thing. IT IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT! It can be a wonderful experience, and no it is not for everyone, but then again not everything is for everyone. There is nothing wrong with being in a frat or a sorrority. Just figure it out for yourself and “DON”T let one bad apple spoil the whole bunch girl”

  59. 59
    admin 

    “I hope everyone that thinks they want to join a frat or sorrority, do their own research and make up their own minds. I am a member of DST and I was not hazed at all during the pledge process nor has anyone been hazed that has come after me. Since becoming a Delta, I have devolped many STRONG friendships with intelligent, beautiful, GOD fearing black women and I wouldn’t change a thing. IT IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT! It can be a wonderful experience, and no it is not for everyone, but then again not everything is for everyone. There is nothing wrong with being in a frat or a sorrority. Just figure it out for yourself and “DON”T let one bad apple spoil the whole bunch girl”

    Min. H
    One good apple doesn’t make the whole bunch good either. I am glad to know that you are paper. But this is not about people, unless greeks want to make it about people, then they have serious problems. The ONE BAD APPLE are the teachings itself.

  60. 60
    IMAPYT2 

    I’m not “paper” I am a Delta. There is no such thing as a “paper” Delta or any other Greek. Tell me where in Delta’s information you find any reference to being “paper”. You won’t, it’s a made up term.

  61. 61
    IMAPYT2 

    @Dirty Red, Let your wife enjoy being a Zeta. Your house was divided before she decided to pledge. Maybe you are using this as an excuse for something else going wrong in your relationship? Come on, what’s really going on here????

    Min. H
    Dirty Red- Delta Sigma Theta has a 48% unmarried rate. I do not think they are concerned with marriage. I tell people who are yet to be married, that if their potential spouse is greek, think long and hard, because it’s for life. I do not have the DST’s sweetheart song before me, but with that alone you would see what I mean. These organizations, especially DST stress lifetime commitments tothe point they constantly repeat it in their ritual as one their most sacred acts.

  62. 62
    Dirty Red 

    @IMAPYT2, This problem is that you do not bring secrets into a marriage after 10 years. She is telling me that she has quit the zeta’s, but she’s lying about that too!

  63. 63
    admin 

    If you want to get in to semantics that’s cool, I can flow with that as well. Did you have both an MIP process and a pledge process outside of sorority rules based on the By-Laws and Constitution, or did you simply go through the MIP process a.k.a. being “paper”. I can tell you what’s not made up…… Delta Sigma Theta were truly founded by disgruntled AKA’s, therefore you will always be in their shadow and owe them a debt of gratitude for even being in existence. Had one of the DST disgruntled founders been smart enough, they could have wiped AKA of the map. So in reality your sorority should be named, Alpha Delta Kappa Sigma Alpha Theta sorority, inc. LOL!

  64. 64
    Bystander 

    This last comment was very childish. You have just lost a supporter. The Lord would have turned to other cheek but never stoop to the level of the sinner.

    Min. H
    Thank-You for your comments and reading, and I think differently. For one, these statements are true, probably with the exception of them not having the presence of mind to end that which they so staunchly disagreed with. One lady, whom AKA gives little credit to, saved the sorority with one small piece of protocol. I call that thinking on your feet. The things I said about DST, I have said many times. If you cannot see the humor mixed with reality, which is my style of writing, then you have missed the point completely. You have to know what the spirit of DST is about to understand why I said the things I did.

    Thank-You for being a former regular reader, and by the way, my comments were not only in direct response to her post about me, but also her comments toward Dirty Red.

    Now did you catch the factual humor in that last statement?

  65. 65
    Dirty Red 

    This Zeta stuff has finally come to a boiling point. My wife does not have the nerve to tell her new sisterhood that this has caused her to have maritial problems. She admitted that she has been a zeta away from home. I told her that as long as she is a zeta, she is not a part of me. I continue to pray, and god tells me to stand still. I am ready to start moving forward! I told her that I have supported her in everything she has ever wanted to do in life. This is one thing that I refuse to back down from. I guess it’s true that you have to let someone go to see if they really love you them they will come back to you! Thank You Zeta’s for ruining my family!

    Min. H
    I am sorry Dirty Red, but she is a part of you regardless. You are still married, and divorce is certainly not an option. I wouldn’t even advise separation at this point, but the seriousness is not just her involvement, but her lying. This behavior must be crucified.

    Why have you not called?
    Fred 919/278-8911

  66. 66
    IMAPYT2 

    @Dirty Red, once and for all, ZETA did NOT, I repeat, DID NOT ruin your family. What this is all about is that you do not trust your wife. She has found an outside interest that doesn’t include you and you can’t handle that, maybe you are a bit jealous?. I’m sure she still loves you, but she also wants to be a part of Zeta. Nothing wrong with that. You are trying to sabotage her whole Greek experience and I hope she stands strong. Really, are you willing to walk away from your marriage over this??? Till death do us part, did you not say those vows? Sounds like you two need counseling. I can’t believe how upset you seem to be over this. She doesn’t love Zeta more than GOD, you, your children, work etc. This is a SOCIAL group that does good things for the community and that’s it. It does not and will not replace family and friends. She can have a life outside of her family and church…or at least she should be able to.

    Min. H
    With all of your misguided platitudes IMAP, the question should truly be, Is Zeta worth losing her husband. If it is a trivial as you say, then leave it alone. What is more important to her? She is the one that chose Zeta, so it’s her question to answer. I have some serious advice for dirty red that I will not even discuss here.

  67. 67
    IMAPYT2 

    @admin, So, you are still interested in Delta huh? I’d say you are, especially if you can quote stats like that. Yes, you might not be an “official” member anymore, but you are a Delta at heart, and that’s ok to admit. For every one Greek hater, there are 1000′s of us that love living the Greek life and we will work hard for our organization… you are out numbered. You really need to let this go and find something else to do with your time. But then again, I do find humor in your writings so continue on my sister, continue on, I need a good laugh from time to time.

    On a serious note, I’ll pray for you because you are still hurting and you need to just let this go. Maybe you should contact the people that hazed you and tell them off or something, then maybe you’d feel better and might be able to put this behind you. This is not that deep.

    EVERYONE LISTEN UP…PLEASE MAKE UP YOUR OWN MIND. BEING IN A GREEK ORGANIZATION IS NOT GOING TO; BREAK UP YOUR MARRIAGE, GET YOU FIRED FROM YOUR JOB, MAKE YOUR FAMILY AND/OR FRIENDS TURN THEIR BACKS ON YOU OR, CAUSE YOU TO GO TO HELL!

    Admin, what else are you passionate about? Min. H- Please read my whole site instead of narrowing your view of what I know about your sorority.

    Min. H
    I have had one of your sorors say that she would divorce if it was between her sorority and her husband. By the way, I am not and never could of been a Delta. So what you are saying is that no one can inlfuence you?

  68. 68
    Dirty Red 

    @IMAPYT2, She keeps telling me that all of these zeta’s are supposed to be christians! What christian would make another get on their knees and pledge their life to secrecy! Give them a secret handshake and know secret things to say to one another! If this was so christian based, why was it not done in the church? I told her to go experience the greek life! I told her to try it for one year to see how much this so called sisterhoodcan turn her into a finer womanhood. I laid all of her new zeta memorabilia out on the bed. I told her to go see what that $700 is all about! Would a jealous man do something like that? God has showed me that I cannot save her! She has to see this with her own eyes. I have to worry about myself and my kids! I have stopped asking her to sit down and let me show her what I have researched on the internet, bible, and library. She refuses to listen to what I have to say. From this point on, we are separated but still living together. I told her to come and go as she pleases, and there will be no questions asked. I need to concentrate on my spirituality. It’s funny that me and her just celebrated our 10 year wedding anniversary in january! Now this happens and everything just falls apart! We were so in love that I guess this needed to happen in order to test us. The devil wins again, cause from this point on I gotta protect myself.

  69. 69
    admin 

    “She keeps telling me that all of these zeta’s are supposed to be christians! What christian would make another get on their knees and pledge their life to secrecy! Give them a secret handshake and know secret things to say to one another! If this was so christian based, why was it not done in the church?”

    And this is how these organizations break up families. She took an oath to God. She swore to things that she didn’t even know yet. So when her husband wanted to know what was up, she was bound BY ZETA, not to talk.

    Is not an oath, especially one of this kind, a form of worship? You swear to God with your lips that you will do this and that, before you even know what you are swearing about (James 5:12 speaks against this). So swearing in and on God’s Name and in His presence, and making a promise to Him, I say is there worship any greater than this? Maybe so, but it’s definitely worship.

  70. 70
    iriDScenT 

    You need help…

    Min. H
    I know I do, but the wisdom I seek is from Yeshua, not Minerva.

  71. 71
    Dirty Red 

    He’s just letting us hear the truth about what is going on with these BGLO’s! My wife has been lying to me for the last couple of months! She lies all the time about being inactive, but still goes to al of the secret meetings! Keep up the good work ADMIN!

  72. 72
    Marie 

    I have read this website and God knows it’s been helpful and confusing. I am really struggling with my decision to try and pledge DST because I am not sure if it not of God. I have read all of the post and all I’ve gathered is a lot of bitterness and religiousness. What about the real facts that can help me; like information about whether the rituals are ungodly, parts of the pledging process, or Minerva specific role in DST -is she a mentor or is she an outdated symbol. I know DST has a song “All of my love, my peace and happiness I’m gonna give it to DST” What does that really mean, are you saying these things belong to DST and not God. These are the things I wanna know, this is what will either help me chose or not chose DST. Because right now all I want to do is try my hardest to be come a Delta, so I need to know before I do that what that choice will really mean. Thanks so much!

    Min. H
    The main website has the answers to some of those questions. I will send your concerns to some X-Deltas. Minerva is still alive and well in DST, and she is more than a mentor.

    My name is Fred Hatchett. You can get a PDF file on DST from the main website, http://www.dontgogreek.com

    Now you say you want try your hardest to become a DST. Does that mean you’re willing to pledge?

  73. 73
    DivaQuay 

    DQ
    I DO NOT APPRECIATE YOU POSTING MY EMAILS BETWEEN US ON THIS SITE. THIS WAS A PRIVATE MATTER BETWEEN YOU AND I, MIN. FRED HATCHETT!

    Min. H
    Well if you are not really who you claimed to be, then why all the drama? And it was not a private matter when you came to my website and posted.

    DQ
    I AM JUST NOW SEEING THAT POST. YOU HAVE DONE MOST OF THE TALKING ON HERE ABOUT BEING A CHRISTIAN AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YET YOU ARE THE ONE BEING SNEAKY! DO NOT TRY AND HIGHLIGHT WHAT YOU WANT FROM MY EMAIL. SHOW PEOPLE HOW I COUNTER-ARGUED EVERY POINT YOU THREW AT ME.

    Min. H
    I believe I adequately gave your side of the issue, therefore I see no need to change anything at this point. But I will, sometime in the future, re-read the exchanges.

    DQ
    YOU ARE NOT GOD SO STOP TRYING TO DICTATE EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE BECAUSE YOU NOR ANYONE ELSE WAS THERE WHEN THE VARIOUS AUTHORS WROTE THE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE. THE BIBLE ISN’T ALL LITERAL. SOME THINGS ARE WRITTEN JUST AS IT WAS MEANT AND SOMETHINGS ARE SYMBOLIC. YOU MAY PERSUADE THE GULLIBLE AND NAIVE BUT I AM NOT. I READ MY BIBLE AND PRAY FOR INTERPRETATION. WHO KNOW’S, MAYBE YOU ARE THE ANTICHRIST! WHO’S TO SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT A WOLF IN SHEEP’S CLOTHING!

    Min. H
    Even those who have opposed me through the years, know I am genuine. I do not need your stamp of approval or disapproval.

    DQ
    AND P.S. BY THE WAY, MY NAME ISN’T TAQUAVIA. I PUT THAT ON MY ACCOUNT SO PEOPLE WITH ULTERIOR MOTIVES WON’T KNOW ME!

    Min. H
    Whatever you say, but I know different. You left too many clues.

  74. 74
    Young Christian woman 

    Love the Christian principles presented. I was delighted at the information I learned. I have decided to pledge to nothing other than Jesus!

    Min. H
    Do you mean that you love the truth revealed about what Greeks call Christian Principles? I am confused. Are you saying that you are not going to pledge?

  75. 75
    JMB 

    Hello Everyone!

    As an X-member of DST, I just want to point out one point. All of the aspirants seem to be “hanging their hat” on the fact that we are saying the Divine 9 is demonic because of hazing. Despite the fact that it goes against even the very “jewels” that Delta’s claim to hold near and dear, it is definitely in violation of what Jesus would do, per se. The thing I want to point out is this: The rituals you attend and recite passages to become a member is completely demonic and full of curses! You continue to “wade” in these curses through the formal rituals to conduct the business of Delta throughout your membership. So these rituals transcend into the spiritual realm. It’s not just “formal” words to move you towards membership. The words may seem to be just words, but believe me, they were well thought out. And all of the symbolism is more than just a symbol. Think about or research what these symbols mean! Then think about why they were chosen. I know where all of my research led! If only I would have removed my blinders and took a look before now. The answer was always there, it was a matter of whether or not I wanted to receive it or continue to operate in pride.

    Symbolism: For instance, the red candle that is lit in honor of Minerva or wisdom. Why are you honoring a false god? As you guys have stated, satan is the father of deception. My question to you is, do you think you would denounce God and accept a false doctrine with your mouth if you knew it? It is so carefully crafted that you think its just words. No one takes the time to think about what they are saying in these “ritual ceremonies”. They just say it. I did the same thing! I was so happy to be going through it that my focus was on becoming a member. If you remove your defensive pride, you can see it! It is soooo blatant! I was hazed and honestly, that’s not what caused me to denounce 15 years later. It was the words in the rituals and statements made by prominent figures that govern and make rules for the sorority. Also, when I saw that Kappas have to bow to a delphic shrine as a part of their initiation rituals, that was a too obvious!

    Let me pull out some seriously disturbing statements made by the organization:

    From the 1996 version of Grand Chapter Ritual, 11th edition pg 1:

    “It is clear that the goddess’ name derives from the ancient root for “mind” and her domain was – even more than Athene’s – intellectual. She was wisdom incarnate in female form, the goddess, therefore, of the application of intellect to everyday work, thus of commerce and crafts. She was also said to be the inventor of music. While the Founders chose Minerva as their Sorority’s patron, it is important to recognize the undisputed intellectual domain of the goddess and be guided by this emphasis. That she is one of the strongest and most admirable goddesses of antiquity is ample basis for cherishing her as a patron”.

    I still can’t believe this was typed somewhere. So while an individual member may not particulary hold this opinion or admiration for Minerva, every member is under this covering. You said it in your rituals. You confirm it every time through “TTBOD”! Every formal business meeting of Delta, every ceremony, no business gets conducted until that red candle is lit. WISDOM…I want to emphasize how the words are so carefully stated. Look up the definition of the word “patron”…secondly, who thinks he’s really the inventor of music?

    This one blew me away… from a 1990 version of the ritual pg 30: “We believe in a spiritual life, but we leave to the individual the selection of the medium for its outward manifestation.” MEDIUM? I thought this was founded on Christian principles! So why isn’t this statement talking about Christ. So I could believe in anything? And why the use of the word “medium”…witchcraft!!!! Members swore there allegiance to the medium already which directly leads back to satan! A bigger issue: remember I talked about creating a yoke…the bible says not to be unequally yoked with nonbelievers. II Cor 6:14-18. God tells us to come out from among them and be separate.

    So I just want to point out there is a difference between being founded on Christian principles and being a Christian organization. So that argument about Christian principles just means that the founders took some text from the bible, took the jewels from the fruit of the spirit text, and voila we can say it has Christian principles. Interesting…

    “You are a child of the universe”, but the bible says differently, it tells me not to be conformed of this world (Romans 12:2) and also tells me to beware of statements and organizations as such (Col 2:8).

    Again, in the 1996 version of the ritual, it states “Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be”. WHAT?????? Unequal yoke… I digress…

    Taken from the Candidate Syllabus page 30: Our founders were well aware of the need to transfuse the ideals of Greek moral values with the later concepts of brotherhood and love. This is why they clearly wrote: “We are a sisterhood founded on Christian principles….” So you just gonna mix it all up and put Christian on it, huh? Christian mixed with anything makes it something else, it is no longer Christian! Furthermore, Greek moral values includes polytheism….and homosexuality…

    Anyone that’s been around for a little while can tell you that masonry and it’s degrees of membership are completely demonic. If you don’t believe me, take a look at some of its blatant symbols — the order of eastern star symbol is an upside down star, this is baphomet. Don’t believe me, look for yourself. This is not a coincidence! So I made this statement about masonry to say this:

    “The most direct line of descent from greek societies to America is the freemasons (called masons). Historians of American fraternities and sororities trace most of its rituals, ceremonies and rites to the Masons. An examination of Masonic rituals open to the scholars suggest that our Founders were also influenced by Masonic ritual, symbolism and initiation experiences” Page 30 of the Candidate Syllabus.

    So, I understand a bit of the influence as Frank Coleman was married to one of the founders Edna. Frank was a mason…so perhaps that’s where the big idea came from. Nonetheless, I told you already that the mason rituals are from the luciferian doctrine. If you don’t believe me, look it up! I happened to have access to some rituals, so I saw it for myself! It’s on the internet though…The eastern star symbol is an upside down star. How blatant is that? Google (images) the eastern star symbol and then google (images) baphomet. Yet, it’s founded on Christian principles. Some of them even establish chapters through the church!

    “We turned for guidance to one of the most ancient initiation rites, the Eleusinian mysteries. It is said that even Plato approved of them, believing that the initiate generally led a better life as a result of the influence of his/her ritualistic experience. The objective of those rites was to ascend through the natural elements to a “new life” (being carried forward through all the elements)…Deltas and pyramids are all familiar with the four basic elements. The Eleusianian elements associated the elements with certain human forces: Earth…water…air…fire. The goal is tranquility and spirituality. Here the aspirant rejects the negative and material values of the world and transcends to a more spiritual plane.” taken from the official ritual of grand chapter, page 38, member initiation.

    Okay, so do I need to address my thoughts on this one? Some of this stuff is just common sense…who did Delta turn to for guidance? Eleusinian “mysteries”????? …If you want to start somewhere with this one, research the eluesianian mysteries…I am sure you have already guessed, it’s of the occult! Furthermore, if it is built on Christian principles, why didn’t you turn to Christ for guidance instead of pagan rituals?

    For people like myself who would say, well it’s community service, it can’t be evil. The bible says we do these works in His name, that my Father be gloried. That’s not what Delta says: “Keep your light shining in this community/campus, so that the name of Delta Sigma Theta will always be glorified. Never forget your obligations to perform wholeheartedly your duties in the Grand Chapter, so that across the Nation and around the world, Delta Sigma Theta will be held in highest honor and esteem. (page 73, 1996 official ritual of grand chapter)…I am just going to say: Matt 5:16

    So it’s not being done in Jesus name because on page 177, in this same ritual book, it says “…as we work in the name of our Sorority”…to this I say Col 3:17…so I think this kills my stance of I joined for the community service.

    Every page I turned to, everything was basically attributed back to delta (strive and attain for delta)…Delta’s roots are not only questionable, but I think it is safe to say demonic. It is a curse being handed down from generation to generation…unknowingly to those who pass it and those who receive it…

    I have lots more information if you want to know more. I submitted a letter to Delta to remove my name from the roster because I don’t even want to talk about the demonic ritual of Omega Omega and what they are committing your soul to! So I am no longer found on the membership roster of the organization. I went through a prayer of release and denunciation.

    People, if you read this, please pray to God to reveal the truth to you. I received this very information in 1996, but I dismissed it as many of you have. As I matured, I began to develop a more intimate relationship with Christ. As that relationship developed, God began to peel back layers of strongholds in my life. As you can imagine, this was one of the last ones during this big transformation. I just didn’t want to hear it. I heard Him saying: “You can not bring Delta where I am taking you, denounce it”. Funny enough, this journey to denounce Delta began with a study of symbols. I thought this study was to educate my students about the pagan symbols being used in music and clothing apparel. As God would have it, it was bigger than that! He’s awesome!

    Here’s my email: bioevents@gmail.com

    2 Peter 2:21 (KJV)
    For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

  76. 76
    LoveReigns 

    Well, I cant really speak on Delta because I am an AKA..but I believe that greek letter organizations are overall good and constantly striving and aiming toward a great things. There are imperfections, as there are in every aspect of life, but I personally know plenty of people who are here today due to the good that these organizations are doing. The decision to join one is up to the chooser, but I don’t think anyone should be put down or made to seem somehow wrong for deciding to become a part of one of these illustrious organizations. In my heart I truly believe that God knows the important from the irrelevant…and that’s all that matters.

  77. 77
    DSTLIVEFIVE 

    It has been awhile since I’ve been here, and since then I see my words have been strategically dissected and challenged in attempts to again speak against Delta and BGLO’s. For all of you outside readers, consider this; we as Delta women live a happy and fulfilled life. There is no need to get on here and defend ourselves. We do it so that you see BOTH sides of the story, as there always are. I am involved in the works of Delta extensively, and honestly forgot this site was even here until I happened to see it at the end of my website bar. Why? Because we do not live lives of turmoil, self-confusion or idolantry against God. I am not PRESSED to come back to this site and defend anyone’s words or make fun of organizations. A mature woman can interpret, understand and rationalize decisions for herself, and that’s what we do. Plain and simple. This is not about devil worshipping, cults or secrets. If you want to read into something, you can read into anything. Horoscopes, 2012, shoot, you can even fold a $20 and see the twin towers burning in the exact places they were hit… As we increase our knowledge as humans, we will find that there are connections, signs and symbols connected to everything. This world has been in existence for so long for there not to be. I am happily married while being in an alumnae chapter of over 100 women devout women of GOD. So to the readers, believers and non-believers, Sorors and Greek family, this will be my last post and visit. I won’t be back to witness my words get ‘picked apart’ by someone who, for whatever reason has such a strong urge, even to the point of childish antics to judge me. There are no secrets. As X-Delta’s read you words they say to be from Delta documents, I say again; there are no secrets. My best advice to everyone is to be true to yourself because God knows your heart. I pray that you all find the peace and balance that I have. OOOOOOOOOOOO-OOOOOOPPPPPPPPP! P.S. This site is the DEVIL!

  78. 78
    IMAPYT2 

    I’m Catholic. Bet you guys can find something wrong with that too huh? Guess I’m going to hell, worship satan, don’t know my bible etc….

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    admin 

    You can find something wrong with Catholicism yourself. But is it true? “when I get to heaven and can’t get in, I’ll just show St. peter my Delta Pin”.

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    admin 

    DSTLiveFive- It is easy to say that all the women of you chapter are this and that, especially without mentioning the chapter. If your sorority has no secrets, please tell us what FTD and TTBOD mean? Don’t worry about it, you’re not coming back, but thank-you for your comments.

  81. 81
    Min. H 

    DSTLiveFive- Do you belong to the Prince Georges County Alumnae Chapter? I wonder how many of your members go to Ebenezer AME, Pastor Grainger Browning. I have my reasons for asking.

  82. 82
    IMAPYT2 

    @Admin, Catholicism works for me, it’s all GOOD. Showing St. Peter my Delta pin will give me a few brownie points, because he’ll be wearing an Omega pin!!!!

  83. 83
    Minister H 

    Just because it works for you doesn’t make it okay. Could a Muslim say the same? Would it be okay for them.

    Catholicism is not Christianity. It is an aberration of Christianity. One example, their scriptures contradict each other, or may I say the books they added to the Bible contradict the original Canon of Scripture.

  84. 84
    soamazing1913 

    To all aspirants, when I chose DST, it wasn’t an overnight decision. I did many months of research and made sure I had my facts straight. The information is out there for public knowledge. Once you research and believe that you want to become a member, I say go forth and make it happen! I have read many posts on this site. I see that there is a lot of people holding on to the past. It is not good to hold on to hurt and pain for so long that you become bitter and angry. Let Go and Let God heal you from your past. He can do it! I am a living witness to God’s awesome healing power! I know that I am blessed and highly favored because of what He has manifested in my family’s life. God doesn’t care that I am an active member of DST. He cares that I listen to his voice and follow his plan for my life. I know that God loves me and he shows that every time I open my eyes to a brand new day. I work hard for Delta but my life belongs to God. God said it and I believe it! The traits of anger, bitterness and being judgmental are not traits God wants us to have. I pray that one day soon you all will be able to give it all to God so that the healing process can begin. One love to everyone and be blessed.

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    admin 

    “I did many months of research and made sure I had my facts straight. The information is out there for public knowledge.” soamazing1913

    Min. H
    No it’s not. There is much more, thanks to certain individuals, but this do your research is for the birds. Judgment and righteous indignation within their proper context are traits of God. Your FOUNDERS failed to judge Minerva, instead exalting her. She is the foundation and rock of your Sorority.

  86. 86
    IMAPYT2 

    @min h, Speak when you are spoken too please. If I wanted to know your opinion, (which I don’t) I’d ask for it. I was speaking to admin. @dirtyred, how are things going? I hope you and your wife have been able to patch things up withing your household. I’d really hate to see your family disolve because of this. I’ll keep you two in my prayers, and I will pray that you find each other again.

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    admin 

    This is a blog, and there is such a thing a freedom of speech, understanding that there are even limitations of that freedom.

    By the way, Min. H and admin are the same person! LOL

    I am not one of your pyramids to whom you can control or speak to in any kind of way. You have nothing I want, I am not worried about being a Delta. Therefore, there is no carrot to dangle in front of me.

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    Ashley 

    I recently became an interest. And I have not been asked to do anything crazy. I wanted to join DST because when I look at the character of the women in the chapter at my college, all I see are good things. They all go to church, believe in God and are very spiritual. They are all successful academically and are well-rounded. I could not imagine them secretly worshiping another god. I understand that every evil is mixed with a little good…however, is this organization really that evil?

    And at this point I’m only an interest, so I know there are many things about the organization that I have not been exposed to. And maybe I’m being naive, but I can’t imagine it being that bad.

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    Meka L. 

    I am interested in DST underground and “Duck” process. I am considereing goin out for DST however I would like to get some idea of what I am about to get myself into if the opportunity presents itself.

  90. 90
    X-Delta 

    Written in response to a person interested in DST

    Greetings:

    This response is based on a Christian perspective. The short answer to your question is to be expected to engage in phyiscal abuse such as paddling, getting smacked in the face, punched, spending your time and money to meet the wants of big sisters, memorizing chapter and national history on demand under the threat of being verbally or physically punished, doing silly things like watching people sleep, waddling, linking up and marching while chanting, putting objects in your socks…this is regarding the undergrpund pledge process…there are other spiritual implications in the overall initiation as noted below…and if you go through with it, your grades will likely suffer and sleep deprivation is guaranteed…

    First let me state that you have free will. I am giving you information and a perspective that is not commonly expressed and often omitted from BGLO informationals.

    The short of it is that:

    1. Hazing is a major component to authentic acceptance in any BGLO. They lie and say they are a non-hazing, but this is a cover-up tactic to protect their chapter because hazing is now outlawed. You cannot be guaranteed that you are not going to be expected to be hazed, and depending on the region, hazing can be extremely physical as well as mental. I had, for example, my hands repeatedly slapped with a wooden paddle, until they swelled, and this was right before the official MIP. This was only one type of physical assault inflicted.

    2. I agreed to be hazed. You will have the same choice. However, those in the organization who know better than to haze still do it, lie about, make you feel that you don’t have to be hazed but if you want what they have, you best “want” to—subliminal coersion. Then if they get caught and have to justify why they broke the law, they will lie and make you totally culpable, as if they had no part in it. This is not only cunning and manipulative, it is COWARDICE. Just don’t get involved. They will play you like a fool to protect their letters. Trust me. Once you get in there, you will get more than you bargained for, unless you decide to go along to get along; in the latter case, you will have a spiritual price to pay later.

    3. The twisting of scripture to align with organizational concepts. This is sly because it seems positive, yet, it really mocks the true aim of scripture, to connect us closer to Christ and win souls. Satan did this to Jesus in the desert when he tried to tempt him. Be leery.

    4. The double-standards that are implicitly present: there are jewels that represent wholesome concepts, but they are not reflected in the behaviors carried out. If, for example, compassion, is a virtue, but you are hazing women so you can love them more, this overtly counters the virtue of compassion; or the abandonment of unborn children through the support of community orgs that promote abortion– this does not reflect compassion for unborn life.

    5. Pluralism and yoking with unbelievers: a Christian who makes an intentional lifetime committment to an organization that allows all faiths should have a problem with this because our life goal is to win souls for Christ, not to submit to the ideas that all faiths are okay, and not just to do good things the way Christ did. Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Light, not just for us but for everyone. Everyone may not believe that but we should not make Christianity our “own” thing—God calls us to do more. Yes we, in America, have religious freedom, yet we also have a Godly mandate. DST believes in religious pluralism, which is a counter truth to scripture. These organizations are fashioned after spiritual concepts and have a religious blueprint.

    6. Politics and Lies: there is a lot of politics in the org that makes it a very “unsisterly” environment: how did you pledge, are you real or paper? When craziness occurred on my line, I reached out to the Regional Director, who did not even bother to investigate; I did not get a call back, but the chapter members did, and they “fixed” the situation by meeting us with baseball bats, because we decided not to be hazed any longer. This was her job. She took the chapter members at their word and had no idea of what was really happening. She was an “Official”.

    7. Minerva: she is revered, on the sorority crest, influential in the intake process, and what she stands for in pagan Greek mythology is the premise of DST—wisdom. God is the source of all wisdom, not Minverva. When joining DST, you are pledging your life to be dedicated to Christian principles that cover Minerva’s foundation. God will not be mocked. Would you drink a glass of water with a teaspoon of bleach? Christ and Minerva are the antithesis of each other. This is why there is more than meets the eye and DST is full of double meanings.

    8. Conclusion: Grown people do not need to be whopped like children to be made. When physical or emotional violence is converted into a positive thing for the sake of belonging to a group, there is a morbid psychology behind that. If you are in Christ, you are a new creature in Him, why would any man or woman need RE-MAKE you? Is Christ’s transformation not good enough? If you believe in Him, you believe in His principles already, and should be living them already. Christian Principles, Christian Principles—they take His example, but leave behind his mandates. We cannot choose what parts of scripture we will obey and live by. On judgment day, it will be all or nothing. Remember, Judas Iscariot walked with Christ consistently for three years and betrayed Him in the end. Do not be impressed simply by Christian principles.

    9. Sisterhood: You cannot beat or train or manipulated people into a bond. And you bond with people with whom you are like minded. If you are like minded with a group of people, you will likely bond with them, so physically inducing the bond only accentuates what was likely to happen.

    10.Lies and double meanings. All the ambiguity you get form members is the first sign that there is something twisted underneath. Everything done in the dark will eventually come to light.

    I hope this helps. God wants more from you.

  91. 91
    Walk In The Light 

    Very simple statements:

    In 2008, I was a candidate. I prayed to be rejected after I found the Don’t Go Greek website. I spoke with Min Hatchett by phone. I was conflicted after I got my letter of rejection. I now have the gift of discernment, that whenever I am around truly ‘active/dedicated’ delta women, I sense something sinister and untrustworthy in the immediate atmosphere. I do not get that feeling when I am around someone who is inactive.

    I am a better woman for this experience.

  92. After reading all of the following I felt the need to give my testimony. I am a born again Christian and have been since a little girl. I am now a junior in college majoring in Nursing and this past semester I submitted my packet and had my interview with Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. It’s amazing how God works and what He will take you through to realize where you want to be, is not where He called you. I was rejected by the sorority not because I didn’t have the votes or the money but because my community service letter was electronically signed.

    I questioned God on why it happened to me, because I,like so many other young ladies wanted to be apart of what appeared to be a great sisterhood and service. When I stopped questioning God, He started answering me. At the beginning of my sophomore year many of the members of DST approached me, pursuing me into their organization. They then began to host events, inviting me to them. After the rush, a select few, including myself were helped with interview packets and then prepped on how the interview process would go and the questions that would be asked.

    I said all that to say this. The members already had their picks and chooses on who they wanted, which were many of the “popular” girls on campus. They wanted to recruit ladies with a high GPA because they were in competition with the other sororities. The deceit is disguised, and if you don’t have God in your life, you will be fooled. My pastor began teaching on the occult, and frats/sororities fell under this category. After learning about Minerva (DST) and the Sphinx (Alphas), to name a couple, really shed some light on this darkness. The oaths that you have to take and the things have to renounce are life changing. Life and death are in the power of the tongue, and when you take an oath to be apart of something forever, you give the devil assignment over your life. Although the Delta’s did have 22 founders, DST was founded upon Minerva (elephant god). Yes the sorority does great thgings for the community, but its only a cover up for what’s really going on inside. In the application packet DST puts much emphasis on “hazing,” but they do it anyway. I was a firsthand witness to that. And after all the brainwashing you go through and with being young, and wanting the desire to belong, you sometimes feel that hazing is the only option. If you are my sister/brother, why would you want to hurt me physically,mentally, or emotionally? It’s time that the world wakes up and recognizs the sneakiness of the devil. To serve DST to the day I die (which is a chant), means you are serving an idol god (Minerva) whether you know it or not. The first commandment is Thy shall have no other god before me, violating this alone can affect God’s reign in your lifr. I’m not perfect but I’m seeking to gain a better understanding. God says my people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge, and I thank Him that they rejected me because my intentions were to submit again next year, knowing I would make it. The devil is really working 24/7, disguising himself, seeking to gain as many souls as he can. Had I not had a heart for God, I too would have been blinded. To the young ladies “dieing” to pledge and want to be apart, DON’T!!! You will be recognized and stand out more for being yourself. I thank God for this revelation, and I soon hope someone puts together a group to reveal these things. I woukd love to be apart of that movement. As a college student I see the deception that goes on not only in greek life but college periond. Students are dying everyday and believe it or not, this is one of the reasons. As Christians, we have to spread the word. It is then the hearers doing to act on this word. It’s time that we shift from pugh to purpose and make a change to win back souls to the kingdom of God. I hope that I’m not alone in this endeavor!!!

  93. Before a whole bunch of Deltas try to come in here and cast a shadow on this testimony, Minerva is not an elephant god, and they know it.

    They were using this young lady to make themselves look good, and they were going to beat her tail in the process.

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    IMAPYT2 

    @Meka, if you are interested in Delta, please speak with a Delta before you make up your mind. There are a lot of us out there that love being Delta’s and cause no harm to anyone before, during or after the process. Good luck in your search for sisterhood.

    @ Hatchett, can we speak live?

  95. 95
    Min. H 

    919/278-8911

  96. 96
    admin 

    Sorry Ms. Hudson, please re-post. It was accidentally deleted.

  97. 97
    Walk In The Light 

    Open question: We have learned about the patron ‘gods’ of Delta (Minerva), Alpha (The Sphinx); I am extremely curious, who is the patron ‘god’ of Omega Psi Phi and what does this deity represent?

  98. 98
    Min. H 

    There is no patron god, but they do mention God to be the Supreme Basileus of the Universe. This is typical of any organization that is either pluralistic and/or does not want to identify with any specific deity, although a claim of Christian principles is made.

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    curious 

    I’ve wanted to be apart of an organization so I can make a difference…stand out and be of help to others. However after careful research I have come up with a problem that’s bigger than pledging bigger than the organization itself. I have been troubled by the thought of can one serve an organization or is becoming apart of this a one way ticket into hell.
    I was scrolling through the vast internet researching a sorority that has intrigued me to the utmost degree. I was in awe so to speak, because the organization has done so much in history and in the community, but I guess curiosity does kill things, or in my case desires. I came upon a site that asked me a question I could not answer. Will God approve of me in this organization. I believe that though I have fallen many times and am far from perfect, I would still like to have god in every decision making process. The greek lettered organizations are in fact based on Christian principals but it is NOT a Christian organization. This statement contradicts each other because if the organization instills Christian influence into the foundation of the organization why does it in the same sense take the christen aspect out claiming it is not a Christian organization. Bringing me to a different question if it does not claim a religion what is the purpose of trying to claim Christian principals under greek symbolism?
    I was disappointed to see that my lack of knowledge almost allowed me to naively join something that I did not know much about. As I continued my research even though most organizations do not claim any religion they seem to embrace gods and goddess leaving the person to determine what Christian principals did multiple gods come from, since I have not seen that in my bible. I am confused by the missions of the sororities and fraternities. They work for the glorification of the organization and they determine that members must act in a way that represents the organization for life. Seems like a divine nine religion in itself. One must go above and beyond to “prepare” themselves into the group. They have to be the elite who prove that they can endure the initiation process which might include pledging themselves to the org., allowing themselves to be hazed, making sacrifices, and finally reaching the end where they cross over into the sister/brotherhood. Almost like one has to prepare themselves for heaven during the Christian experience. One has to pledge themselves to god and only god. They have to endure test of trials and tribulations and devote there lives by living for Christ until they reach the gates of heaven.
    Now my comparison might seem far fetched but then again I am just making an observation, nothing is fact (but then again greek mythology is merely a theory as well =D). I am disappointed to say that I will no longer have a desire to pledged for an organization, but on the same note I am elated to pledge my life to the lord my savior and only him. I was almost tricked but I came into knowledge and I pray that I continue on my journey with the lord and I ask that he protect me through my endeavors that I may be able to avoid getting myself into a situation where I am disappointing my savoir Jesus Christ.

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    seekingHimfirst 

    Curious…very well stated and so true.

    Jesus was so much more than just a good man. He is the savior and any organization not interested in the salvation of mankind through faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ is NOT a Christian organization.

    He is the Only Wise God (Jude 1:25). There are a lot of things that surely can be debated regarding GLO’s but the Word of God is not up for debate neither does He need it to be re-written as the delta’s have done. (A meditation for delta).

    This is a very interesting site and I am glad I stumbled upon it. But none has to get angry or feel like the disscussion is onesided. Settle the issue in your own heart once and for all. If any man lacks wisdom, let Him ask of God who gives liberally…(James 1:5) The Lord will surely speak to His people and His people know His voice and Obey.

    thanks for sharing.

  101. 101
    Rebekkah 

    I am a PROUD EX MEMBER of aka and I have to agree with everything my Sister in Christ wrote in her email about denouncing dst. I pray that other people open their eyes to the reality of these demonic organizations and repent immediately! If anyone is struggling with the decision to denounce or on the verge of pledging and God is tugging at your heart to stay free of this spiritual stronghold DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEART TO THE TRUTH! God Bless everyone!

  102. 102
    Ashli 

    Out of curiousity, how did these “moment of epiphanies” occur? Can any of the denounced members honestly say that they have spoken with each and every member that belongs to those particular sororities? (In reference to those that have been mentioned…. Delta Sigma Theta, Alpha Kappa Alpha, and Zeta Phi Beta) How are these generalizations being made with only one experience? Is there honestly no other reason that you have chosen to denounce?

  103. Ashli
    Out of curiousity, how did these “moment of epiphanies” occur? Out of curiosity, do you belong to a sorority, and if so, which one?

    Min. H
    You would have to ask the individuals themselves, but not all were epiphanies. It’s a matter of simple discernment.

    Ashli
    Can any of the denounced members honestly say that they have spoken with each and every member that belongs to those particular sororities?

    Min. H
    I can unequivocally say so.

    Ashli
    (In reference to those that have been mentioned…. Delta Sigma Theta, Alpha Kappa Alpha, and Zeta Phi Beta) How are these generalizations being made with only one experience? Is there honestly no other reason that you have chosen to denounce?

    Min. H
    How many times do you have to be told to take your hand out of a fire. I hope just once, and that you didn’t know it was there, or too young to know what fire was.

    As for other reasons, why are multiple reasons necessary. People have some misguided, inflated idea that GLO’s are so great that one must be out of their mind to denounce. I say to those Greeks and Non-Greeks, do not flatter yourselves.

  104. 104
    ex-DST member 

    I agree totally. Sometimes we have to go through 2 be on the inside 2 help those on the outside wanting 2 be in, know the truth. Unfortunately, there are so many members who r blinded 2 the truth, even those claiming salavation, did not want 2 hear the truth that this was all about idolatry. But Yahweh will reveal and expose Satan and his “devices”. Ultimately, people are dealing with low self esteem or wanting 2 feel apart, look 2 these organizations as the answer, but because it is a false sense of comfort 2 one’s weakness, it never brings the peace one is searching 4 because it only comes from Yahweh. Only he can heal and build to restore 2 peace. Be blessed and continue 2 expose the enemy and give glory where it belongs, to Yahweh and His precious son, Yeshua!

  105. 105
    EX DELTA 

    As for the “moment of epiphanies” statement, however it came, be it through hazing drama or corrupt politics within the org itself, God revealed! Period. God allowed each person to experience what they experienced, and out of it HE got the glory by our testimony. He is sovereign enough to know that those of us who encountered the flip side of what is commonly portrayed as “favorable” would see through the “wool” and tell what others won’t… God’s pulling on our heart and conscious overrides “meeting every single person in the organization”…once GOD validates, who is man to consult with? That is the problem–vanity in the fellow man and not FULL REVERENCE OF GOD…GOD REVEALED, period, that is the reason for denouncement. When HE speaks we should LISTEN…no matter who likes it or not, it is so much bigger then a “bad experience”…

  106. 106
    My 

    All I can say is that I am just in total awe! Christians don’t carry on this type of “conversation”. Period. If one chooses to join an organization of any kind that takes an oath or pledge, it is their right and their christian respponsibility to put nothing before God!

    Get this!!!!—- DOCTORS take an oath!!! Are they evil devils? Many professionals take oaths- nurses, social workers, psychologist to name a few. Where is all of this “bible” stuff coming from that’s being quoted? Everyone interprets the bible differently. Every religion practices differently. Christians, TRUE CHRISTIANS, are known by their character and the character of some of you professed christians are not based on His teachings.

    Some of these posts have been going on forever and a christian, Delta, AKA, Zeta, Doctor, Nurse, Minister, Reverend, Preacher, Person of good character- please conduct yourselves accordingly.

    I stumbled on this sight trying to find a ritual to buy because mine was damaged in Hurricane Katrina. I had to comment on this conversation that’s going on. If you denounce anything that you once were- THAT”S FINE!!!! Keep it to yourself and your personal savior. If you want to pledge- THAT”S UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL AND THEIR PERSONAL SAVIOR!!

    I’m not a blogger so this will be my first and last post!

  107. 107
    admin 

    My
    All I can say is that I am just in total awe! Christians don’t carry on this type of “conversation”. Period. If one chooses to join an organization of any kind that takes an oath or pledge, it is their right and their christian respponsibility to put nothing before God!

    Min. H
    Evidently they do carry on this type of conversation, there have been 106 posts

    My
    Get this!!!!—- DOCTORS take an oath!!! Are they evil devils? Many professionals take oaths- nurses, social workers, psychologist to name a few. Where is all of this “bible” stuff coming from that’s being quoted?

    Min. H
    James 5:12 speaks against oaths sworn in BGLO’s.

    My
    Everyone interprets the bible differently.

    Min. H
    That’s the problem!!!!!!!!!

    My
    Every religion practices differently.

    Min. H
    And no other religion will grant you eternal life either.

    My
    Christians, TRUE CHRISTIANS, are known by their character and the character of some of you professed christians are not based on His teachings.

    Min. H
    Now that’s an opinion that you did not care to support

    My
    Some of these posts have been going on forever and a christian, Delta, AKA, Zeta, Doctor, Nurse, Minister, Reverend, Preacher, Person of good character- please conduct yourselves accordingly.

    My
    I stumbled on this sight trying to find a ritual to buy because mine was damaged in Hurricane Katrina. I had to comment on this conversation that’s going on. If you denounce anything that you once were- THAT”S FINE!!!! Keep it to yourself and your personal savior. If you want to pledge- THAT”S UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL AND THEIR PERSONAL SAVIOR!!

    Min. H
    And “THEIR” personal savior……….. Does any Christian see the problem with that statement? There is only ONE savior. And would you Greek just love for us to keep it to ourselves, but when someone drops line, you ridicule and ostracize them.

    And you said you were looking for a ritual to buy????????? Call your National Office, they should have one!!!!!!!!!

    My
    I’m not a blogger so this will be my first and last post!

    Min. H
    Cool!!!!!!!!!!

  108. 108
    YES I DENOUNCED DELTA!!! 

    Wow I remember looking at this website when I was a Delta…shaking my head thinking this was so false. I belived myself to be a devout christian was very well active and involved in my relationship with God and in my chapter. It wasnt until I started to get deeper into God where he opened my spiritual eyes to see the TRUTH. Now that I have denoucned this organization I can only look at this page and see that this is TRUTH.

    Whats so scary is that those who are blind will never see the demonic connection. Because one is in it, they think they know what is going on but they have NO idea. Even trying to reason and talk to one about the Truth wont be recieved until God opens their eyes. I can say that because I was one of them. Its very scary to think that you can be so deep into something and not have a clue that it is completely against God. Those who are spiritual must not look at things in a carnal way because you will never see the truth.

    I believe that God is the only TRUE and LIVING God. And that He sent HIS son Jesus. Jesus died and paid a price for OUR sins. And we must go through Him to have salvation.

    My prayer is that God will open the eyes of those who are blinded and clueless to what is really going on. He is ABLE because he did it for me. Thank You JESUS!!

    Be encouraged X-DELTA…God is raising up those who will stand in TRUTH. The majority will HATE to hear it but regardless the TRUTH WILL STAND!!

  109. 109
    trina 

    Trina
    I respect all opinions on this blog and I only have a few things to say. I truly have a lot of respect for the admin and all else who renounced their grreek organizations. That truly shows how much societys opinion is of no concern to them and only a few people in the world can look past that. The only thing that bothers me is the whole concept of propaganda. The word of god has been taught all over. The bible has been taught differently to people even though the teachings should have the same basis. I am a christain and my faith is strong…the issue that I have is that the bible can be interpreted in sooo many ways.

    Min. H
    I am assuming you mean propaganda in the negative sense. You said the Bible can be interpreted in many ways. But that’s quite different than being interpreted properly. If I write a non-fiction book, and I say that my uncle was a deck builder. A hundred pages later, I say that he only built concrete decks. If you never read 100 pages further, you could have interpreted that in many ways. It could of been boat decks, wooden decks, stone decks, etc. But to the person that reads at least that far, they will know the proper interpretation, unless we find any other information in the rest of the book. So although we’ve heard this cliche of many different interpretations, they are really our own “personal” renderings. What does the Bible say about that?
    2 Peter 1:20 (King James Version)
    20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

    Trina
    Yes, like I said the principles are just but the interpretations are many. I have been to a lot of different churchs before and even if you studied the bible and practiced its teachings, you are still prone to the many influences of the teachers.

    My whole principle to it all is this…every person has their own personal relationship with god. Regardless of who says what…away from the church and all the other influences, you have your own bond with god and the way in which the bible is interpreted in your eyes.

    Min. H
    Proverbs 14:12 (King James Version)
    12There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. There’s a god of this world whose sole intent is to make you believe that your relationship is right. Churches these days are not all too common with the essential doctrines. Being prone is all to familiar for me, but it’s no excuse. Being prone to one’s teachings and studying for yourself is the issue.

    Trina
    Somethings you will think that read one way when others will not. Don’t get me wrong, I love going to church and hearing the teachings, it gives me another perspective on certain scriptures in which I could have completely thought differently on. I only feel as if you can recite and learn the bible from front to back but you need to always have your own opinions on the technicalities and the true meanings underlying in the word. I’m not against sororities or fraternities. Even if the whole organization has a community service “cover up”, there can be no denying of the impact these GLO’S have had on communities, families, and worldwide issues.

    Min. H
    Well I am against them for the very same reasons. Now let’s look at your relative point of view when it comes to spiritual things. When you say impact, what do you mean? You gave terms, but offered no real facts. Well I will offer you some facts about communities, families, and worldwide issues.

    Worldwide
    HIV- GLO’s say to slap a condom on and hope for the best.

    Communities
    Abortion- GLO’s, but speficially BGLO’s…….. Not a peep against this EVIL practice.

    Families
    How? They do not oppose abortion and promote fornication. That’s anti-family!!!!!!!!

    Trina
    This is not to say good deeds send you to heaven. That is not what I am saying at all. Just that I personally, and this is just me, I personally can’t see (and possibly god has not shown the truth to me yet) the underlying evil behind a group of young men and women trying to build up the world and make things better for other people. Just my opinion and perspective…..now please people…MAKE YOUR OWN!
    God bless

    Min. H
    Make your own is the epitome of moral relativism. Can a Christian “really” have a positive OPINION about Hazing?

  110. 110
    Valeska Jade Prather 

    Once upon a time, I was very interested in becoming a member of DST, I just knew I would change the entire face of the sorority (make it better) and somehow mend the greek family(which is so separated just like our race, scattered and torn apart although they portray a different thing, this should have been my first clue). However after talking to Yahweh, I researched and researched, then researched some more, not just the greek family, but my African family and heritage as well. I came to the conclusion that I can never walk across burning sands if I came by camel’s back, in deed, I did come by camel’s back. It is impossible to be both Greek and African based on history and common sense. The word plagiarism comes from the theivery of Aristotle and Alexander the Great, who foragedour libraries and took credit for everything they were not. Why on Earth would black ppl honor such theives and hypocrits (I would like active members to answer this)? Not to mention, a White woman on top of the shield. Are you serious? Are ya’ll on crack? There are a lot of shades of our beautiful race, the spectrum is wondrous, but one shade we’ve never been is GRAY. But white ppl turn gray, and that is particularly why active and non-active members of DST can not tell me that the woman on the shield isn’t white. I love you my children but that hypocrisy disgusts, dissapoints and disturbs me.

  111. 111
    Jade 

    I plan to be a dotor, however I will opt out the graduation ceremony because I do not agree with being cloaked and hooded, it reminds me of Darth Vader and the dark side. LOL. I love my right to say no and that many will have to contend to my will not to do something. Others are not that strong and many are not as wise, due to this, I must champion for the voiceless and let them know they are worthy. Despite your ations to destroy your own ppl, that is what you all do, that’s what Greeks have always done to Africans, the ppl will be quite alright. It’s DuBois’s fault I think, he was a separatist and elitist, that whole talented tenth notion could be the point our ppl lost their natural minds. Slavery is always blamed but we have to remember we ruled them first, their term as slave rulers was karma. The one thing that can keep the black man down is the black man. Realize this, you fake africans and even faker greeks, a misnomer you are and once the talented whole returns, you weak, fake things will miss your soul, what makes you family. How does it feel to throw away your gift to deliver Yahweh’s message? How does it feel to bow to a soul less thing? I used to weep for you, now I forget you to do quality work for the ones you hate, for the ones that will leave you behind, for the ones that love their creator and couldn’t fathom such disrespect.

  112. 112
    Jade 

    I plan to be a doctor, however I will opt out the graduation ceremony because I do not agree with being cloaked and hooded, it reminds me of Darth Vader and the dark side. LOL. I love my right to say no and that many will have to contend to my will not to do something. Others are not that strong and many are not as wise, due to this, I must champion for the voiceless and let them know they are worthy. Despite your ations to destroy your own ppl, that is what you all do, that’s what Greeks have always done to Africans, the ppl will be quite alright. It’s DuBois’s fault I think, he was a separatist and elitist, that whole talented tenth notion could be the point our ppl lost their natural minds. Slavery is always blamed but we have to remember we ruled them first, their term as slave rulers was karma. The one thing that can keep the black man down is the black man. Realize this, you fake africans and even faker greeks, a misnomer you are and once the talented whole returns, you weak, fake things will miss your soul, what makes you family. How does it feel to throw away your gift to deliver Yahweh’s message? How does it feel to bow to a soul less thing? I used to weep for you, now I forget you to do quality work for the ones you hate, for the ones that will leave you behind, for the ones that love their creator and couldn’t fathom such disrespect. I am very happy with the person in the mirror, however I am feeling the strain of my ppl weathered by these racist times. Know this, nothing you can do, not do, do too much of will ever cause me to stop loving you my brothers and sisters. Nothing. I will see you on the battlefield, hopefully you will be on the right side, I do not mind slaying you in Love for LOVE. Thanks for your time.
    Praise Yahweh
    Jade, your always loving sister

  113. 113
    kim 

    I have gotten into a number of debates about glos and for every point a bglo makes, there is a rebuttle. As a pre-law major, it is always great to know both arguments that way you can choose the one with the most validity and evidence. My boyfriend (also pre-law) and I debated joining bglos since we need to be in some kind of organization to get into law school. He represented the pro side and I was the con. In this case, the cons won.

    Many of the members of BGLOS will tell you that they were created as an ORIGINAL entity designed to promote brother/sisterhood and provide service in the Black community. They will also insist that you do research. Well I did mine and none of the information is correct.

    In truth, BGLO’s were created in the time of the early 1900′s (1906-alphas, 1908 aka’s, 1913-deltas,etc.) which was a time where Blacks were still heavily discriminated against even though they could be admitted into white colleges. White greek organizations at the time had NO interest nor did they agree with admitting a Black person into their organizations. That being said, college educated Blacks set out to make an organization for themselves. If you go back even further into history, glo’s were modeled from the ancient greek SECRET SOCIETIES, designed to separate the elite (typically those who were educated or royal, or in some other form “special”) from the masses. Their rituals and traditions stemmed from the their society’s religious beliefs which were and always have been pagan. We can see that the bglos are modeled off this idea by only extending membership to college educated people who have attained at minimum a 2.5 cummulative gpa and have a number of recommendations. This is not including the fact that in many smaller chapters, participants have been recruited or selected, and those who meet the qualifications are NOT ALWAYS admitted. Essentially, the bglos are selecting the creme of the crop, as did the white glos and ancient greeks. The idea of hazing is not an original entity either seeing that much of the greek religion revolved around sacrifices and offerings, usually involving blood, fire, oaths, and prayers. Hazing and rites of passage in bglos require that you make some oaths, shed some blood, and in essence sacrifice yourself which makes this no different from secret socirties. THE idea of a sorority or frat is as UNORIGINAL as one could possibly get.

    While it remains true that you can not always trust an internet source, you also must consider your source of information and think critically.

    If a dedicated sorority member is refuting the claims made by internet sources, ex members, and others who disagree with their organization, but yet can provide no sources or substantial evidence to verify that the information they are saying is true besides their word and is as we know sworn to secrecy of some of the doctrines of the organization, wouldn’t it also make sense that they would only tell you what THEY WANT TO HEAR or KNOW? They want to present their org in the best light, only showing you the good, not the bad. In addition, they want to show those aspiring to be in the org what they could have if selected: Networking, a supposed sister/brotherhood, popularity, and maybe even money, fame, and political power! All the material things that could draw a person. Of course they wouldn’t tell you that their gonna kick your butt, and maybe even your face, take your pride, money, self-esteem, offer you a fake friendship you paid for, which is good only if you do what they do, use you until your used up, and tell you that you’ll be a leader when you have been allowing yourself to be a follower THE WHOLE TIME! SO yeah, do your research, but in the meantime I don’t think these types of orgs is for me.

    *Neither ONE of us will be joining! AN internship is much better.

  114. 114
    STL DST 

    My sorors,

    “With love I ask that you do not respond to the comments on this page. We are supplying the naysayers with information, whether it’s available on the internet or not, that they can use to fuel their rage.”

    Min. H
    See how this affirms/confirms what the above poster says,

    “If a dedicated sorority member is refuting the claims made by internet sources, ex members, and others who disagree with their organization, but yet can provide no sources or substantial evidence to verify that the information they are saying is true besides their word and is as we know sworn to secrecy of some of the doctrines of the organization, wouldn’t it also make sense that they would only tell you what THEY WANT TO HEAR or KNOW?”

    STL
    I suggest to you all before you make a commitment – be it to church, a sorority, a job, a fitness club or another organization – do your research. If you were purchasing a home but the home didn’t have everything you were looking for. Do you buy it anyway or do you pass on it? Do you continue talking about how the house wasn’t for you? No, you move on until you find what is for you.

    Min. H
    Allow me to relate this to sorority logic. Do you go ripping out the walls to see what’s underneath? NO! But if one of the kids was with the owner and said, “mommy, you forgot to tell them about the scratching noise in the walls”. Would you buy it then? See, STL DST is telling you to do your research, knowing full well what’s IN THE WALLS.

    STL
    Min H, I realize this is your blog and you can insert your opinion at will; however, you seem to have a comment about everything. Be a real minister and just listen. Maybe even ask the ladies to agree to disagree (since we will never be on one accord). Try fostering sisterhood because of the difference. Ask the ladies for and against to support each other, their communities, go forth in the world and make a difference – whether they pledge or not!

    Min. H
    Wow, we are still using the word pledge. What is making a difference?

    STL
    We have to realize everything isn’t for everybody. Accept that no matter the amount of persuasion no one is going to change their opinion. The horse is already deceased. Stop beating it.

    Min. H
    No, the horse is not dead and you are proof of this fact, and the reason for this statement is your opening sentence. You don’t want people to come here and do their research.

  115. 115
    Tiaonna 

    Admin really sound like someone who has been kicked out of the organization. You sound so bitter and so not like any minister or any person of God I know. I will pray for you because I feel you really need help. I am not saying this to be mean, I am truly concerned for you. If you have let DST go why is it still taking up so much of your life? Move on!!!

    Min. H
    I am not an X-DST. To continue, why do all Greeks want to elevate their organizations so high on the totem pole that to leave them is borderline psychotic? To believe such may be borderline psychotic though! LOL!

  116. 116
    Tiaonna 

    Dirty Red sound like a control freak. You sound like someone who would go through his wife purse. I would not go through my husband pockets or wallet, nor do I feel a need to know every move he makes. He feel the same about me and respect my privacy when it comes to my sorority. My family comes before my sorority and that is what the sorority encourage. I will not be back to this site.

    Min. H
    If he stated, with good reason to see your ritual, would you? Probably not. What if he threatened to divorce?

    Tionna
    I stumbled on it looking for a cover for my ritual. Some people are so sick and are always “using” Jesus Christ or the Bible to cover their sickness. A lot of murderers can quote the Bible and speak the same way that Admin/Min. H. Why do you move between the two names when you are only one person. That in itself seem sick.

    Min. H
    If you really have to know; when I edit a post, I must login. You can only login as an administrator. So, am I still crazy???????????

    And I noticed the date when you were looking for a cover for your ritual………

  117. 117
    JRNets 

    I just want to thank you for publishing your experience. I was researching the organization and was really passionate about joining.

    After reading this, I have a lot of insight as to what many things mean. I attended the rush and came across the “Circle” and had to research it to understand what it was.

    I was raised in a Christian home, and I value my teachings and beliefs. I don’t want to go against what I KNOW is wrong spiritually and morally!

    Thank you so much!!!!!!!!

  118. 118
    nikki 

    latoya ask ur self why would u be defending this Greek goddess named minerva if u didn’t believe in her??? i suggest you do much research and you will find that it is a direct connect to masonic people and alister crawley who was the founder of it all…he was a true satanist and makes claim to having influnce on many satanic things. wow now what MANY of DST women will not tell you is that they pray to this minerva during these rituals which by the way the word speaks for it self…all who want and need proof try EXMINISTRIES.COM or look on youtube for G. CRAIGE LEWIS

    Min. H
    Latoya,
    I think you should read the blog I have about G. Craige. SOme of his information is based off of misinformation or sensationalism, not info directly from rituals or x-members.

    ..I pray that Jesus can soften the hearts of unbelievers….be blessed be safe we all have the freedom of choice…When i denounced AKA friends were mad and wouldn’t speak but oh well Jesus continues to help me stand for what i know to be true…I have many friends who I encourage to leave these groups…u can’t serve to masters…if i made mistakes sorry don’t have time to spellcheck be safe peeps, and remember the devil DEMANDS A SACRIFICE!!!

  119. 119
    Latonya 

    Umm, Latoya stop lying!!! DST is a hazing organization! It is just that some of those young ladies are dying to be apart of an organization to be noticed they will do ANYTHING to join!!!! Some of the things I have heard go on will make you sick to your stomach and it is quite unnatural. Ex. Paddling, sexually explicit acts being done on one another, which should only be done to you by a man!!! So don’t lie and say DST is a non-hazing organization…because it is not!!!

  120. 120
    LO 

    Due to the fact that people interpret and perceive things how they want for the benefits of their own good it is very dangerous when UNQUALIFIED quote scriptures without the full context and proper knowledge of the bible. (many a preacher has lead a flock astray due to him wrongfully interpreting the will of the Lord)

    I am a believer God is a creator of the world and the fullness within. He saw fit to give the founders of all these organizations the insight/knowledge and understanding to create each one of these organizations. Now what man has done to pervert this gift is his own cross to bear and will be faced with that questioning on his/her day of judgement. But how dare you question a gift from God

    with that being said NONE of us know the true feelings of God on this manner until we meet him upon us passing on.

    I wonder if you same anti-BGLO’s take this energy fervor and passion in dealing with your family members and friends who are dealing in strongholds that are more powerful than greek life; or are you scared they will tell you to go somewhere with that (and not under a respectful tone)
    what about white GLO’s because if you are truly doing the work of God, He sees no color only Kingdom vs Carnal so have you taken this crusade to them as well, if not then you are only doing this for selfish gain which is just as much of a sin as the member of the GLO’s

    and for those so full of courage speaking out on the internet, have you ever discussed your feelings to those members of BGLO who are pastors/bishops/deacons/ministers to see how they felt?

    I think what it is, those who have made the decision to denounce KNOW that greeks who are Christians love God and want to be in good relationship with Him and the Kingdom, so they play on the fact that alot of bglo’s know whats going on with BGLOs isnt the best and begin to guilt them into questioning their decisions to become members.

    And if you are doing that, shame on you, as a Christian all you can do is provide Kingdom led principles and allow that man or woman to make the decision on their own.

    Thank you God bless

  121. LO
    Due to the fact that people interpret and perceive things how they want for the benefits of their own good it is very dangerous when UNQUALIFIED quote scriptures without the full context and proper knowledge of the bible. (many a preacher has lead a flock astray due to him wrongfully interpreting the will of the Lord)

    Min. H
    So I saw the word UNQUALIFIED in all caps. Is there a point to that? I noticed that you didn’t give any scriptures in particular.

    But I do agree with your statement. Tithing is one of the biggest examples of taking scripture out of context.

    LO
    I am a believer God is a creator of the world and the fullness within. He saw fit to give the founders of all these organizations the insight/knowledge and understanding to create each one of these organizations. Now what man has done to pervert this gift is his own cross to bear and will be his judgment. But how dare you question a gift from God?

    Min. H
    LO; before these BGLO’s were founded, there were plenty that preceded, so I wouldn’t call this a gift from God, but more so building upon another’s foundation. When you say God, you mean Jesus right?

    LO
    with that being said NONE of us know the true feelings of God on this manner until we meet him upon us passing on.

    Min. H
    Have you seen the rituals? I am not trying to assess what God’s feelings were concerning these organizations, but rather looking at what these organizations have to offer in terms of a biblical worldview.

    LO
    I wonder if you same anti-BGLO’s take this energy fervor and passion in dealing with your family members and friends who are dealing in strongholds that are more powerful than greek life; or are you scared they will tell you to go somewhere with that (and not under a respectful tone)
    what about white GLO’s because if you are truly doing the work of God, He sees no color only Kingdom vs Carnal so have you taken this crusade to them as well, if not then you are only doing this for selfish gain which is just as much of a sin as the member of the GLO’s

    Min. H
    No who are you to try and tell me which way I should go, but I will answer you on the matter. One of my most exposing documents is of a white GLO. As for my family, I have opposed and have received backlash from them. So what is your next accusation I wonder?

    LO
    and for those so full of courage speaking out on the internet, have you ever discussed your feelings to those members of BGLO who are pastors/bishops/deacons/ministers to see how they felt?

    Min. H
    It is really to them that I have the greatest issue. What’s sad is that they make the same excuses other believers do. I have debated them, had phone conversations with them, etc.

    LO
    I think what it is, those who have made the decision to denounce KNOW that greeks who are Christians love God and want to be in good relationship with Him and the Kingdom, so they play on the fact that alot of bglo’s know whats going on with BGLOs isnt the best and begin to guilt them into questioning their decisions to become members.

    And if you are doing that, shame on you, as a Christian all you can do is provide Kingdom led principles and allow that man or woman to make the decision on their own.

    Min. H
    No shame here. When a Christian founded/principled organization allows sinners to join one would expect hazing to be a tolerated, legitimate behavior and it is. One would expect profanity, fornication, homosexuality, adultery, etc. to be covered up under the veil of secrecy, or what members call it, hiding behind the shield. The same can be said of any church that would do the same.

    There was no guilt. There was a recognition that my organization was not living up to its claims. I searched out these claims and the scriptures, and the fraternity came up wanting in the scales.

    Thank you God bless

  122. Latonya,

    Those are some pretty deep accusations. Do you have school or chapter names that are engaging in this? I have heard of some nasty mess like this before.

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    Latonya 

    Personally, I am not against any BGLO. These organizations were not founded on the grounds in which certain-if you will- African Americans come along and add foolishness to the mix. For example, since when did these organizations discriminate against you because of the color of your skin. Take a close look at the complexion of all of the founders.

    Being “BLACK” we were and are always being discriminated against. Considering, these organizations were founded by sons, daughters, grandsons and granddaughters of slaves it was time for an upliftment for black people.

    One thing we seriously NEED to do is get back to our roots because at the end of the day these organizations were NOT founded on some of the stupidity in which some blacks folks have intertwined into them!!!

    I believe in what is referred to as by Christians – meaning of a Christian is a good person…remember that. Just as Baptist- baptizes people. But I believe in the Holy Trinity – The Heavenly Father, The Son (JESUS) and The Holy Spirit.

    These organizations are what you make of it. What I believe happens to those who join…btw…I am not a Greek…but what I believe happens is they turn from God and begin to serve man! This is where the problem begins! Who says you have to make people degrade themselves or make them lose there integrity to join. Is this what the founders BGLO’s were about…NO!!!!!

    Our ancestors…the founders came up in a time where BLACK was the ugliest thing to be….the only good N*gger is a dead N*gger and the like. These organizations were founded so that we could grab a hold of ourselves and to say we are better than what “they (white folks)” think of us.

    My great grandmother was a child of former slave and to listen to stories my father would tell my siblings and I were horrid!!! The broken mind and spirits of our ancestors were not joke at time. So to “uplift” the race…something had to be done. But what I would like to know is…where has some of today’s practices in these organizations come from???

    Speaking to some elders of these organizations…a lot of them don’t even know where more than half of this stuff comes from. It appears as though they have gone from upliftment to troden at the devil’s feet.

    Who says it is okay to make others feel inferior- You are not God and The Heavenly Father does not do it to anyone!!!- where does this come from? Who says it is okay to perform sexually explicit acts-on the same sex-sorry but this is UnGodly.

    Who said it is okay to violently kick you brother or sister down the stairs-knowing this may seriously hurt or even kill them. Where in the world do these violent and vile acts come from. These are UnGodly, what you do to intentionally hurt your brother or sister is UnGodly, putting man before God Almighty is UnGodly. See these are some of the things which causes problems in an individual’s spirit. God tells us not to stray to the left nor to the right but for us to always remain on the straight and narrow.

    What I believe is not what others may believe and many may disagree with what I said. But I don’t think BGLO’s are bad…it is acts some individuals partake in and promote for the next group which is the problem. Many look back and see how far they are from the Almighty and begin to dislike themselves.

    If God is you Master in Jesus name, he always will be. But for those who join or have joined these organizations you must first look at yourself. Were you looking for favor of God or of Man??? verily I say unto you…you have gotten your reward.

    Black people we must instill in our children and even in ourselves the importance of Jesus and he loves us will all of our faults.

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    Car 

    I skipped to the bottom – just to answer, after I read the Rev response about taking “oath”. You do realize that God nor scripture admonishes you for taking oath. If that is the case. I have seen the President of US take oath, Doctors, and Lawyers take oath. Here nor there. Also, many of Greek writings/philosophies began in Africa. Minerva is a Roman Goddess that means “wisdom” not worship. And her figure/likeness is displayed on many educational establishments to government establishments. DST as I have known is a Christian based organization. Seems as though the writer has taken an approach to be Christ-like she can’t nor shouldn’t be affliated with ANY organizations. Since, organizations just ego pump and hero worship. I wonder what happen on the Usher Board at her church? Lord knows what the Mothers of the church are discussing on First Sunday. In my DEFENSE of all Black greeks (mainly this one). The first two black greek organizations were founded at a white colleges. It was to answer the call of the racial tension and the plights to our INTELLIGENT race. More have been done from those that have been associated with a BLACK GREEK ORGANIZATION than any other. Never mind that REV. DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. was a Alpha. And Jesse Jackson a Omega MAN? Coretta Scott rock the pink and green. So based on YOUR opinion, you had a bad taste for what YOU went through. 1Cor13:11 does speak on thinking and acting like a child. Maybe this why you must have gone and attending a 4 year accredited college in order to join. Maybe this is why your gpa, and service are required before applying. <—- did you see that word APPLY? Black greeks do not ASK you to join. You must seek them…

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    DB2012 

    Wow! this really helped me! I am/was considering joining DST…but, was unsure how it would effect my walk with the Lord. I think about how i can strut to music that I don’t even listen to, and how i can go to clubs and dances as a delta and don’t do that normally! I want to be apart of a sisterhood and the Deltas want me to pledge, but I can’t quit questioning whether I am missing God. Ms. Admin….this really helped! I know a lot of people don’t agree with what you said, but for me it was encouraging to hear a Delta have the same questions I have. I’m only 20 and being a christian in college is so hard, but it is so refreshing to hear another African American woman feel so strongly about Jesus. Thank you, and continue to state your beliefs even when people don’t agree…I will!

    Love in Jesus…
    DB

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    admin 

    Car
    I skipped to the bottom – just to answer, after I read the Rev response about taking “oath”. You do realize that God nor scripture admonishes you for taking oath. If that is the case. I have seen the President of US take oath, Doctors, and Lawyers take oath. Here nor there.

    Min. H
    There are oaths that God forbids, and the reasons are given. So stop lying about what God’s Word says about oaths.

    Car
    Also, many of Greek writings/philosophies began in Africa. Minerva is a Roman Goddess that means “wisdom” not worship. And her figure/likeness is displayed on many educational establishments to government establishments. DST as I have known is a Christian based organization. Seems as though the writer has taken an approach to be Christ-like she can’t nor shouldn’t be affliated with ANY organizations.

    Min. H
    I am not actually, but could if I chose to. It’s not Mineva that’s the issue, it’s her role in the organization. DST is not Christian Based.

    Car
    Since, organizations just ego pump and hero worship. I wonder what happen on the Usher Board at her church? Lord knows what the Mothers of the church are discussing on First Sunday. In my DEFENSE of all Black greeks (mainly this one). The first two black greek organizations were founded at a white colleges. It was to answer the call of the racial tension and the plights to our INTELLIGENT race. More have been done from those that have been associated with a BLACK GREEK ORGANIZATION than any other. Never mind that REV. DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. was a Alpha. And Jesse Jackson a Omega MAN? Coretta Scott rock the pink and green.

    Min. H
    Let me give you the legacy of BGLO’s. Abortion, Hazing, promotion of underage sex through the teaching of safe sex, and presenting the prime environment for sin. To those you mentioned, LOL!!!!!! They all represent what is wrong with the black community today. Talk about Hero Worship. Allow me one example. Jesse Jackson was once a staunch ANTI-ABORTIONIST. What happened to him in 1984? He ran for president and the unborn no longer deserved to live. Abortion to him was no longer genocide. What a hypocrite, and the fraternity sniffed right up his tail forgetting one their “SUPPOSED” aims, Christian Manhood. That aim is all empty words. If the frat was really about this, they would have rebuked Jesse Jackson and kicked him out of the fraternity. The fraternity never once lauded him for his pro-life stand.

    Car
    So based on YOUR opinion, you had a bad taste for what YOU went through. 1Cor13:11 does speak on thinking and acting like a child. Maybe this why you must have gone and attending a 4 year accredited college in order to join. Maybe this is why your gpa, and service are required before applying. <—- did you see that word APPLY? Black greeks do not ASK you to join. You must seek them…

    Min. H
    Actually this is not the case. Fliers go up each semester ASKING those who are interested to come to an interest meeting. So you are ASKED, HAZED/BEATEN/HUMILIATED, etc. to join. Now as for your bad experience comment, I took pledging very well. You know why Car? Because I had already reconciled in my mind that I was only going to do that which I deemed appropriate and necessary. I was willing to take almost all things physical, except breaking of bones, or being slapped in the ears. So I had no bad experiences as you and many others think one MUST HAVE to DENOUNCE. That shows yours and others’ arrogance that these organizations are so great that one must be crazy to leave them.

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    Nicole 

    Do you Min. H and x-delta or any other “christian” who commented, celebrate Christmas, Easter or your birthday?
    Because all of those “Man made wordy events/holidays come from a pagan origin as well…. I am sure Jehovah/The Almighty God wouldn’t approve of that, so if you are celebrating these events, one can add that you don’t have any room to throw a stone at a person who decides to join a BGLO…

    p.s.. I am not a member of any Greek organization….. I just find it odd when people are pick and choose what to obey when it comes to God’s word… Also what about keeping your sabbath day holy…a commandment that many people like to say was done a way with…I am confused because the others (commandments) haven’t been….

    All I know is one sin isn’t bigger than the other….so know one should be throwing stones….we must all take a look in the mirror….look in out own eyes….sweep around our own front door….

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    admin 

    Well Nicole,

    Let’s deal with your Sabbath comment. Many of the commandments have been done away with. You sound like a Seventh Day Adventist mixed with a little Jehovah’s Witness. I suggest you read two of Paul’s letters concerning the Sabbath.

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    nicole 

    Thanks for responding, admin…actually, I am not either. I have studied with a Jehovah’s Witness but based on my research, they aren’t for me.

    What other commandments have been done away with and please direct me to the scripture that says so?

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    DancingSpirit 

    Not a member of a greek org., but have friends of all camps. It’s obvious that there is no meeting of the minds on this issue, but this bolog says too much info for comsumption. Solution: agree to disagree, because everyone is entitled to their opinion and although Jesus loves us all, he hates the sins we commit, but if he is accepted as our personal Lord and Savior will forgive us.

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    Pink&Blue 

    I have not read all the comments, but the Lord knows I plan to! I am not now, nor have I ever been a member of any “divine nine” organization, however, I am a member of a local sorority, & I am also a pastor’s daughter. My uncles are pastors, my aunts evangelists & First Ladies. Both my paternal grandparents were pastors, (my gma was the first african american woman to pastor a church in Key West, Florida!) My parents encouraged me to pursue my sorority membership, after I expressed my interest because they felt as though I was finally going to finish something after I started it. That’s just the parental way, I was lazy & never went through with anything. During the pledge process however, my family was in turmoil, I couldn’t pay my dues, I didn’t make all the lines & my GPA went from a 3.3 to a 2.5. I felt screwed. FINALLY after six months, I made it across the burning sands and my parents were happy.

    Afterwards I fully realized my desire to be a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha, but I couldn’t do so because of my enrollment in a community college, & because I had planned on transferring to a 4 year college later on, I decided to do massive research on the organization to be prepared for the interest meetings & eventually the pledge process. Because, lets all be real here, no matter what they say, they STILL pledge.

    So back to the issue here, I finally yielded to the Lord as my personal savior (*applause* LOL) & read my Bible, I actually sleep with it next to me, but I was SO enthralled with the women, excuse me, “ladies of AKA” that I was determined to find out EVERYTHING. I even did the impossible. I obtained a copy of their ritual book. (I know, I’m SUPERWOMAN.) I also have DST & APhiA, and if you need proof, I can send you the scanned pages.

    I used to scower (sp?) the internet looking for chants, songs & dances that would help me feel like a member, THAT bloodthirst in itself is sinful!! I stopped reading my Bible, I was too busy reciting the founders from memory, I wasn’t praying, I was too busy looking at pink & green probates, etc. My mind was consumed with the “pretty girls who wear twenty pearls”. Even to this day, I have to ask God to help me with the desire to be accepted, because thats honestly all it is. Its a desire for the FLESH to be validated.

    I said all that to say, if you don’t feel the presence of God LEADING YOU to join these organizations, I wouldn’t. I feel God sends some people to these things to teach them lessons, or to help bring others out of bondage. This comment was in no way meant to condemn, but I just hope people go to God first & that he has mercy on those who do not see.

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    admin 

    Thanks for responding, admin…actually, I am not either. I have studied with a Jehovah’s Witness but based on my research, they aren’t for me.

    What other commandments have been done away with and please direct me to the scripture that says so?

    Any in this category that the New Testament does not enforce.

    Colossians 2 and Ephesians 2 (whole chapter, but specifically verse 14 and 15 respectively.

    TITHING is a huge issue in many churches. NO more Tithing Commandment.

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    LMAO 

    I’m sorry, but I find it hilarious that the “admin” person picks apart everything that someone says.

    Here’s one: “#winning!”

    Min. H
    And everyone has the right to do the same to mine. Won!!!!!!!!!!!

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    old school 

    Everyone is entitled to decide what is right and what is not for him or herself. Whatever I decide for me is fine. Whatever you decide for you is fine. Don’t judge me. I won’t judge you. I am a proud and active Delta. I have been for years. It was a pleasant and continues to be a pleasant experience for me. If you were mistreated, that is too bad and I’m that happened to you. It shouldn’t have happened. Everyone does not have that experience. Each woman aspiring to be a Delta has to decide whether or not its the right decision for her. Delta Sigma Theta is not an evil or demonic organization. The administrator pledged at institution that was breaking the rules. Any woman that allows herself to be hazed is also breaking the rules. If the administrator pledged over four years ago, all of those people are now gone and hopefully the hazing is no longer going on. If a person that is pledging reports what is going on, the hazing WILL stop! Don’t be afraid to pledge and don’t be afraid to report activity that should not be occurring!

  135. 135
    admin 

    old school (OS)
    “Everyone is entitled to decide what is right and what is not for him or herself. Whatever I decide for me is fine. Whatever you decide for you is fine.”

    Min. H
    The Biblical Worldview says different, and you are the exact type of person I warn Christians about as for reasons they should not join. Whatever you decide is whatever you decide, but there is only one right or FINE choice when it comes to eternal life.

    OS
    “Don’t judge me. I won’t judge you. I am a proud and active Delta. I have been for years. It was a pleasant and continues to be a pleasant experience for me.”

    Min. H
    The Biblical Worldview is that experiences make not the truth. This issue of judging is completely misunderstood by most, and people judge others all the time. I can guarantee with almost 100% surety that you will judge me before I am finished going through your whole post.

    OS
    “If you were mistreated, that is too bad and I’m (sorry) that happened to you. It shouldn’t have happened. Everyone does not have that experience. Each woman aspiring to be a Delta has to decide whether or not its the right decision for her. Delta Sigma Theta is not an evil or demonic organization.”

    Min. H
    It is an evil and ungodly organization that incorporates Minerva as more than just a symbol, as you can see from posts above.

    Delta Sigma Theta also states in its ritual, “earth, air, fire, and water. It is in these that we live move, and have our being.

    The Bible says that it is in him that we live, and move, and have our being.

    One is based off of PAGAN-WITCHCRAFT principles, the other the Word of God.

    OS
    “The administrator pledged at institution that was breaking the rules.”

    Min. H
    See, you just judged me WITHOUT KNOWING THE FACTS. I pledged in 1990 when pledging/hazing was still allowed, so no rules were broken.

    OS
    Any woman that allows herself to be hazed is also breaking the rules. If the administrator pledged over four years ago, all of those people are now gone and hopefully the hazing is no longer going on. If a person that is pledging reports what is going on, the hazing WILL stop! Don’t be afraid to pledge and don’t be afraid to report activity that should not be occurring!

    Min. H
    I was just getting ready to compliment you on your stand against hazing, and congratulate you on your PAPER STATUS, but now I am not quite sure if you are paper. I pledged 21 years ago and the hazing still continues. It is also obvious that you see hazing and pledging as different, but they’re not.

    “Don’t be afraid to pledge” OS

    Min. H
    All I have to say is WOW!!!!!!!!!

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    tompklin 

    I hear all this bad talk about DST and I know many people are about to think i am crazy but I really want to leave AKA. I also dont understand why NPHC will not allow girls to change sororities, I would like to be apart of DST very badly and want to start a petition, anybody with me.

    Min. H
    The very reason why they do not want to allow multiple memberships or leave one and go to another is very clear. If you can’t be loyal to one, why should they trust your loyalty to them. The defection of AKA’s to form DST may have been the very reason for this. In all honesty, DST was founded by disgruntled AKA’s. All they had to do was change symbols, ideals, shields, colors, internal culture, etc. You would think that DST would be glad to have you seeing that’s how they were founded, but that’s the hypocrisy of the whole thing. What was good for the founders is not good enough for others.

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    Ashley 

    First of all let me say I am battling with this very thing and i know its satan. And when people say pledging is not real they are lying!!I pre-pledged which means I wasn’t even on the line, this was just to prove my interest, how much history i knew, what and how far would I go to do what they ask. Anyway, i was determined to join and go through whatever i had to to become a member of DST. Did anybody tell me anything about everything that was going on. NO!!! The new line just crossed at my school and trust me when i say everyday i am battling with my flesh not to still desire to be a member. The flesh is strong!! Can somebody please explain to me more in depth the rituals of this organization ? Say a prayer for me as i am seeking everyday for my desire to go away.

    Thanks.

    Min. H
    Ashley,
    I am going to pray for you and I will send info about the rituals. But let me say that some rituals have no direct rhyme or reason, but merely a purpose. Pledging for example has no rhyme or reason, but its purpose is to build consensus, act a certain way, achieve a certain outcome. It is all results based.

  138. 138
    krediet 

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  139. 139
    elizabeth 

    WOW i have never in my life thought women we say they Love Christ would Bash a sister in christ!!!! to marecella “My prayers are with you my X-sister, that you find a connection somewhere. If really you are connected to GOD, then you should be in a state of forgiveness and prayer for those who saw fit to do you harm…..Jesus did. Get off this site, stop being on Gods earth.” WOW THAT WAS IN NO WAY GODLY LOVE ARE U TELLING MY THIS SORORITY IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHT THE BIBLE SAY ABOUT LOVING YOUr neighbor??…
    i pray that the Lord touches your heart

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    Denied 

    I am a denied Spring 2011 applicant from Alabama A&M University. My question is for any member of Delta Sigma Theta and/or woman that was denied from Delta Sigma Theta. WHY IS IT THAT APPLICANTS THAT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, KEPT A GOOD REPUTATION, STAYED LOWKEY WITH THEIR INTEREST are denied? I have friends at white universities who meet all the requirements and made it into DST in less than a year. I have friends at historical black univerisites including myself who have gone through a FBI inspection just about to do DST. Historical black universities tend to pick the raunchy girls rather than the classy girls. As you can observe from this comment……I’m confused…..I know in my soul, DST is the organization for me and I will try again.

  141. 141
    admin 

    DENIED
    I am a denied Spring 2011 applicant from Alabama A&M University. My question is for any member of Delta Sigma Theta and/or woman that was denied from Delta Sigma Theta. WHY IS IT THAT APPLICANTS THAT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, KEPT A GOOD REPUTATION, STAYED LOW KEY WITH THEIR INTEREST are denied? I have friends at white universities who meet all the requirements and made it into DST in less than a year. I have friends at historical black univerisites including myself who have gone through an FBI inspection just about to do DST. Historical black universities tend to pick the raunchy girls rather than the classy girls. As you can observe from this comment……I’m confused…..I know in my soul, DST is the organization for me and I will try again.

    Min. H
    I would first like to ask if you are a born again Christian? If so, do you think this is a sporadic, common, or infrequent occurrence? The National Chaplain promotes adultery and fornication, and 52% of Deltas are not married. That’s more than a chapter or two. Go to the Greek Sites; DST’s atill haze people. Are they doing that a Alabama A&M? If you know in your soul that DST is for you, what are you willing to do to get it?

    DST picks worse than raunchy girls, they initiate sinners!!!!

    Minister Hatchett

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    Soror Taylor 

    Clearly, this website was started by someone with a personal ax to grind and is choosing to attack my illustrious sisterhood, Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. I am a Christian AND a Delta–for 25 years. No, we do no worship Minerva. Sorry to say that is nothing overtly sinister about this organization. It vows to uplift the community and to treat others as Christ would expect. The fact that people are spending all of their time trying to others that Delta or any other Black GLO is satanic suggest OBSESSION! and THAT is demonic idolatry. Instead of sowing seeds of good into the community, like Delta does, you are spending hours nickpicking something you DO NOT KNOW. Many of those who claim to be DELTAs are clearly outside imposters. I know this because they do not indicate they know anything more than they read on a website. Anyone who is a member would understand that the organization promotes first and foremost sowing good seeds into the universe. Some of the country’s most beautiful souls have been a part of this organization–including Ida B. Wells, Vashti Murphy (a bishop), Dorthy I Height, etc etc. So instead of wasting your lives away trying to find Satanic connections, why not invest 1/10 of your energies into doing 1/10 of the good these women did? It is UNGODLY to obsess over 1 organization like this people!

    Moreover, the “Oath” you speak of is no blood oath, signed in front of satanic priests while chanting some ancient Egyptian vow…Sorry to disappoint. All of us make oaths to our husbands, to our churches when we join them, the military, to our nation…yet you focus on an oath here? Please! None ofmy sorors joined DST to carry out some demonic purpose to corrupt unsuspecting Christians, I would almost guarantee..So what IS the point here? Sounds like a bunch of nutty, disgruntled people who never had the character required to join DST or any OTHER GLO or who did not have the intestinal fortitude to finish the initiation process…Instead of ferreting out imaginary demons here, go fight REAL demons of ignorance, racism, inequality, poverty, sexual abuse of children…After all THAT is what JESUS WOULD WANT YOU TO DO!!!!

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    Soror Taylor 

    @ admin…One more thing, How much time do you spend here anyway? Are you REALLY winning souls, “minister?” Like I said, this is an idolatrous obsession! I would NEVER come to any church you led because your priorities are so singularly focused…Go attack the Illuminati, freemasons and REAL satanic organizations who do NO good at all and stop attacking an organization that has sowed a great deal of Jesus, love, and giving of oneself into the community. You ought to be ashamed! God help you!!!

  144. 144
    admin 

    Soror Taylor
    Clearly, this website was started by someone with a personal ax to grind and is choosing to attack my illustrious sisterhood, Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc.

    Minister Hatchett
    Why is this always the excuse used by even Christians? I am amazed that they find it odd a person would walk away from a GLO for any reason, as if it had to be something outrageous for them to leave, but as long as they remain members, they’re good.

    Soror Taylor
    I am a Christian AND a Delta–for 25 years. No, we do not worship Minerva. Sorry to say that is nothing overtly sinister about this organization.

    Min. H
    Nothing “OVERTLY” sinister!!!!!!!!! You mean a college party is not overtly sinister. People come there to bump and grind, find a one night stand, or a suitable, non-judgmental environment to get their drunk-on.

    For 25 years? So you pledged under the old school system? So was God pleased with your hazing sets, or did you go paper?

    Soror Taylor
    It vows to uplift the community and to treat others as Christ would expect. The fact that people are spending all of their time trying to tell others that Delta or any other Black GLO is satanic suggest OBSESSION! and THAT is demonic idolatry.

    Min. H
    Many here disagree with this assessment. As Christ would expect. Your sorority cannot even live up to its vow of speaking up for the innocent. When was the first, not last time your SORORITY- DELTA SIGMA THETA EVER TOOK A STAND *****AGAINST ABORTION*******???????????

    Soror Taylor
    Instead of sowing seeds of good into the community, like Delta does, you are spending hours nickpicking something you DO NOT KNOW. Many of those who claim to be DELTAs are clearly outside imposters.

    Min. H
    Outside imposters is your assumption. You are so obsessed with your sorority that even the thought of what you would consider betrayal never enters your mind.

    Soror Taylor
    I know this because they do not indicate they know anything more than they read on a website. Anyone who is a member would understand that the organization promotes first and foremost sowing good seeds into the universe. Some of the country’s most beautiful souls have been a part of this organization–including Ida B. Wells, Vashti Murphy (a bishop), Dorthy I Height, etc etc.

    Min. H
    “Vashti Murphy (a bishop)”. A title means nothing without the life in which to back it up. First of all, women are not bishops, so therefore, she breaks the Word of God in that arena. Secondly, she promotes fornication and adultery. Google book reviews for, Oh God” by Dr. Susan Newman. You bring up Ida B. Wells. Well, she would surely be ashamed at how black women murder their babies at the highest rate, right? Yet, Dorothy Height led an organization that promoted it (NCNW).

    But you have made the fatal mistake of resting your organization on the reputation of sinful people, instead of Jesus Christ.

    Soror Taylor
    So instead of wasting your lives away trying to find Satanic connections, why not invest 1/10 of your energies into doing 1/10 of the good these women did? It is UNGODLY to obsess over 1 organization like this people!

    Moreover, the “Oath” you speak of is no blood oath, signed in front of satanic priests while chanting some ancient Egyptian vow…Sorry to disappoint. All of us make oaths to our husbands, to our churches when we join them, the military, to our nation…yet you focus on an oath here? Please! None of my sorors joined DST to carry out some demonic purpose to corrupt unsuspecting Christians, I would almost guarantee..So what IS the point here? Sounds like a bunch of nutty, disgruntled people who never had the character required to join DST or any OTHER GLO or who did not have the intestinal fortitude to finish the initiation process…

    Min. H
    Why would they need the guts to make it through a “non-violent” pledge process where you learn history? You constantly repeat your most sacred vow and most sacred trust. tell me Soror Taylor, does Jesus fit in to these vows or trusts?

    And character assassination is the WEAKEST FORM of an argument one can use. Please stop!

    Soror Taylor
    Instead of ferreting out imaginary demons here, go fight REAL demons of ignorance, racism, inequality, poverty, sexual abuse of children…After all THAT is what JESUS WOULD WANT YOU TO DO!!!!

    Min. H
    The greatest form of racism is within the race. When DST stops perpetuating that, I will be the first to let the public know.

    @ admin…One more thing, How much time do you spend here anyway? Are you REALLY winning souls, “minister?”

    Min. H
    Are you doing so? Does your sorority have ANY evangelism programs? You have a bishop at the helm, so what is she doing to promote Jesus, because a title alone doesn’t cut it. Now she is someone who is really in a position to do so, but has done NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!

    Soror Taylor
    Like I said, this is an idolatrous obsession! I would NEVER come to any church you led because your priorities are so singularly focused…Go attack the Illuminati, freemasons and REAL satanic organizations who do NO good at all and stop attacking an organization that has sowed a great deal of Jesus, love, and giving of oneself into the community. You ought to be ashamed! God help you!!!

    Min. H
    You start off with the character assassination once again. DST has sown its own wisdom of Minerva into the game of life and has failed miserably to change the lives of people spiritually, let alone watches countless of its own sorors engage in fornication, adultery, abortion, etc.

    I DARE YOU and YOUR CHAPTER TO COME UP WITH PRO-LIFE/ANTI-ABORTION PROGRAM that educates black women on the reality of abortion.

  145. 145
    mazega 

    I have to say that people who say they are christian arent always christians. I am a Christian, A Soldier, A Alpha, A Mason and a Occupational Therapist. Its funny how i read somebody post and it read that GOD abolishes people who take Oaths. Well in every office that is held in the government we have to take oaths “I solemnly swear to support and defend the constitution against all enemies” this mean if Christians became the enemy them too. I was in a church once and was asked to say a pledge to my Bible but my bible was a King James version but didnt he financially support slavery and didnt become a christian until he was dying. This is from the Bible KING James version Ephesian 6;5 “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ” If slaves would have done this where would Black people be today hmmm PASTOR so why dont you put yourself back in slavery. Now lets address the secret society issue. Secret Society is defined as “a club or organization whose activities and inner functioning are concealed from non-members” Im not a deacon so i cant go to a deacon or mother board meeting but i thought Gods word is open to everyone so what goes on in these secret meeting that is not open and or held on days when there is no church service going on hmmm suspect its that a secret society according to definition it is. Someone said on a post that we should not deal with i guess people who dont believe in God but being a member of the military i have served with Buddist, Atheist, Baptist, Mormans and Muslims and i treated them like they were my brothers and sisters in Christ because they are. So does this mean God doesnt love me but i thought he told me to love thy brother. Furthermore God wants us to build Soldiers for his word, how to build a soldier you take the raw person, shape them and train them to be Christians so they can lead others to Christ not by judging them or condemning them. God wanted to save the souls of people who didnt know about him or were denying him bc they didnt believe in him so this is why He and his followers went to cities such as Damascus, Babylon, Sodom and Gomorrah. Again I say everything that happens in a church or around a church isnt of God because he said in his word when 2 or more are gathered in my name i will be there” he was there when Judas plotted to kill him. Just like when Bishop Eddie Long talked about Homosexuals and then turned out to be one hmmm he was in the House of God every week was that of God or was that just a man or a Man of God.

  146. 146
    mazega 

    Or yeah I am a graduate of Liberty University the largest Christian University in the world.

  147. 147
    Naiym 

    This is truly confirmation on why I NEVER had had desire to join any sorority. I DID my research..all the chantings and craziness were just too new agey demonic for me. And WHY Minerva? WHY?!?!? She is still so rooted at the helm of this orginization. I have BEST friends who will not utter a WORD of their pledging process, the get quiet and super secret. Yet, because they KNOW i know Jesus they always say “it’s Christian”

    I’m so glad you brought up the abortion issue. I Have SEEN first hand working in an alternative clinic, women who have come to our orginization for help AFTER the CHAPTER has offered to PAY for thier abortion. DST parties? Just check FB pictures. I see friends with red cups drinking thier souls happy, sleeping with the “que dawgs” partying it up like ANIMALs on saturday , then in the church on Sunday. That alone let’s me know they ARE not Christian. And the fact that EVERY Founder has said they will let pledgees or whatever they are called serve whomever and whatever is THE MAIN REASON they are not CHRISTIAN!!!!!!!

    This is my point. If you want to pledge greek go on ahead…BUT STOP lying and telling folks this a Christian orginization. When is the last time a CHIRSITIAN orginization deemed it okay to pass out condoms as oppossed to teaching that THE LORD himself said “NO” to sex before marriage. Why not teach that sex is for marriage and that anything outside of that is against the very WILL of GOD. Not these jokers, they are passing out condoms and doing HIV awarness…but wait, i thought they were Christian? Shouldn’t these Christians be abstaining…Au contraire! ask a Delta how to get down with the get down at parties, ask them to show you what they WEAR at parties…Go to an annual convention and see what goes on, then you’ll see why they are passing out condoms. They are GROSS and sinful. ( not every Delta, but thier parties are dooozies!) but if this is allowed, I refuse to say this is a Christian orginization. and IF it’s not a Chirtian orginization that allows such sinful tom foolery, WHY would any Christian young lady want to be affiliated? hmmm? all these ppl coming here saying “i’m Chrsitian and greek” ..well fine, but your orginization is not, and stands on prinicples against your very GOD..That is something I WILL NEVER risk having on my moral rap sheet..i don’t care how loud they ee-yip, step and stand as a “delta diva”…I KNOW that this is wrong. come on now.

  148. 148
    admin 

    Mazega,

    Your fraternity and freemasonry both support idolatry.

    I take it you did not pledge or become a mason when you were born again?

    You’re right about the church Mazega, but that definitely makes Alpha foul, because it sure does not justify Alpha and freemasonry.

  149. 149
    Delta Diva 

    I just don’t understand… You’re on here trying to persuade people not to go Greek.. Telling about the rituals and oath. Let people find out themselves.. Didn’t you have to find yourself.. You are a hypocrite, you’re judging people.. Only God can judge .. You supposed to be the *super saint* but most of these smart comments are not of God.

  150. Delta Diva
    “I just don’t understand… You’re on here trying to persuade people not to go Greek.. Telling about the rituals and oath. Let people find out themselves.. Didn’t you have to find yourself.. You are a hypocrite, you’re judging people.. Only God can judge .. You supposed to be the *super saint* but most of these smart comments are not of God.

    Min. H
    Allow me to say again, as I have stated in the past. The moment I saw the word judge, I sincerely believed that this person would judge me. In such a short post, one would think that I would be wrong. WAS I?

    Delta Diva
    “You are a hypocrite, You are a hypocrite, You supposed to be the *super saint*”

    Min. H
    “Let people find out themselves.. Didn’t you have to find yourself.. “DD

    This is exactly the reason why I tell people in advance, because I found out for myself. And remember DD, I keep no one from finding out for themselves. They can still do what they want, but ask ANY greek who pledged hard; would you do it again?” The answer has always been an emphatic, “NO!!!!!!!!!!!!” The other question is WHY?

    This more supports the legitimacy in why I do what I do.

  151. 151
    Soror Peace of mind 

    It amazing that you can call yourself an EX-Delta now, but what really made you pledge ?. It was clear at one time you wanted to be apart of our sisterhood. If you are so upset with DST then just don’t have anything to do with it and don’t try to turn others away. Everyone didn’t have your issues and didn’t want to be a delta in name along. Have a nice life and let others enjoy our sisterhood in peace…..

  152. 152
    Tee 

    If you are a true warrior of God you would be more focus of salvation and forgiveness, not bashing Greek organizations. You had a bad experience and leaving was your choice. I think you twisted alot of the principles to justify your way of thinking just as many cult leaders do the Holy Bible. The equally yoke spoke in reference to husband and wife in the bible. If we only associated with people who were spiritually equally yoke as us exactly who would be invited to church? Jesus called for all the the mended as well as the broken. This makes me say to you WHERE ARE THE CHRISTIANS? I’m a Christian and I’m a Delta. The CHRISTian in me can not be compromised by anyone. Sounds like to me someone had low self-esteem because no one can make me do anything I didn’t want to do. I agree undergrad can be a show but after you graduate grow up and join a grad chapter in your area and watch the good that comes out of these organizations.

  153. 153
    admin 

    I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYONE HERE with an opinion differing from this site to ACCUSE OTHER DELTAS OF BEING JUDGMENTAL. Oh I know the mental gymnastics people play with this one. They’re not judging, they’re just pointing out facts. Okay!!!!!!!!!!!

    Now on to Soror Peace of Mind and Tee’s comments.

    @SPOM”It amazing that you can call yourself an EX-Delta now”

    Min. H
    I will let any Ex-Deltas respond to that one, even though I could answer parts of it.

    @Tee
    You made many assumptions about people’s experiences. I had good and bad experiences in the fraternity. It was the spiritual aspects as to why I got out.

    Some questions,
    ARE YOU PAPER?

    If not, DID YOU PLEDGE FOR REAL?

    Were you saved when you pledged, if you pledged?

    Did you teach abstinence, safe-sex, against abortion, against homosexuality, against fornication (especially those in your own chapter, unless they were all celibate), against all other religions and gods, etc.?

    Did and do you ask or demand that your undergrad and now even your grad chapter that they have no parties, because it goes against what you believe?

    Did you ask your sorority to remove Minerva from the ritual, because your Jesus represents in reality what Minerva does in idolatry?

    Your own ritual says this about Minerva,

    “It is fitting that the attributes associated with Minerva, the Goddess of Wisdom be influential in the MINDS and SPIRITS of these Sorors as they plan and execute their duties Elected by the Chapter to guide the Chapter in carrying out the Sorority’s most Sacred Trust-”

    Now I put minds and spirits in all caps, but not Goddess or Wisdom. I do not know if they still teach this secondary school, bu when attributes and characteristics are capitalized, it’s called personification. #3 is what is being carried out in the ritual based on what the sorority wants from them.

    Personification- 1.) “the attribution of a personal nature or character to inanimate objects or abstract notions, especially as a rhetorical figure. 3.) the person or thing embodying a quality or the like; an embodiment or incarnation.
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personification

    Did you ask your sorority to remove the religious pluralistic statements from its ritual?

    Example: National President: “WE believe in a spiritual life, but WE leave to the individual the selection of the MEDIUM
    for its outward manifestation.” (DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY, INC., GRAND CHAPTER, Ritual, 1987, p. 30.)

    So your sorority has no problem with anyone joining. Sinners can join, as they do in abundance. Even your own National Chaplain supports adultery and fornication. But I DOUBT ANY CHRISTIAN HAS CHALLENGED HER, INCLUDING THE PAST BASILEUS, WHO IS A MINISTER.

    “Millions of Black women of faith are struggling to reconcile sexuality and spirituality; trying to live ‘holy and sanctified’ lives as taught by their churches, while merging these religious beliefs with their natural sexual desires,” Dr. Newman says. “Many denominations of various religions decree that any form of sexual activity outside of marriage is a sin. Thus, many women are left with no outlet to relieve their passions.” Beginning with the radical premise that women of faith “can love God and love sex, too!” Dr. Newman takes an honest, humorous look at why so many women struggle to reconcile their spiritual and sexual selves and what they can do to bridge the gap. “Somebody has to own up to the fact that African-Americans need to start talking about sex from the sphere of the church,” Dr. Newman says. “I’m not talking about sex as we have traditionally understood it in the past. I’m not talking about how we wish sex would be in the future. I’m talking about what is the true and honest presence of sex in the lives of women today, right now.” With chapters covering such topics as The Sexual Truth Shall Set You Free, What They Didn’t Teach You in Sunday School and Jesus as the Liberating Feminist of the Bible, Dr. Newman explains the origins of biblical teachings about sex and proposes a new sexual ethic for the spiritual woman.

    “Susan Newman is frank and biblical,’ says Bishop Vashti Murphy McKenzie, (Delta Sigma
    Theta) Presiding Prelate, 18th Episcopal District of the African Methodist Episcopal Church in Botswana,
    Mozambique and Swaziland. “She is honest and spiritual. She has a firm grasp of what women are privately
    thinking and is bold enough to bring the discussion to a public forum.”

    I know this book promotes fornication and adultery, and now every Delta who claims to be saved, if worth their salt will confront the sorority’s SPIRITUAL LEADER.

    So let me ask you, Tee; either I am a fool or true warrior of God to take on the sacred cows of BGLO’s. True warriors of God do not go around accusing people of things for which they do not know. When I was an Omega I loved it. Now that I am in Christ, I see it and Greek life for what it is; an affront to the gospel. 500,000+ black women abort their babies every year. What is DST with its NGO status doing to help black women. They fought WELL for women to get the vote, but can Delta get the millions to see that abortion is wrong? I doubt it. Not when many professing believers and ICONS in the sorority believe in the pro-death movement of abortion.

  154. 154
    Ex-Delta 

    In response to Soror Peace of Mind/Tee:

    First off, Delta’s lies made me want to pledge. Without real insight into the inner workings of Delta Sigma Theta, I ingested the same lofty ideals and principles touted by all members of their respective BGLOs. I was looking at the surface, and I was impressed. I had a desire to be a part of something positive, I wanted to partake in the advancement of the community, I wanted to bond with uplifting women. I was already a great student; I was involved in the community. What I experienced once I expressed my interest was the total opposite of everything that Delta publicly claimed. Yes, this was an unfortunate experience, not characteristic of sisterhood, scholarship and service, and yes, I know, Delta Sigma Theta is a non-hazing organization, and such a bad experience as mine should not be counted against the entire Delta entity, right? Wrong. This is exactly what I needed to see, unadulterated and undisguised, to recognize the political deception, spiritual mystification, social double-standards, and racial paradoxes that fuel this elitist group. Secondly, it is apparent that you are double-minded. Thirdly, warrior for Christ? Let’s be clear on what a warrior is: one who defends, one who stands for his/her cause, one who does not compromise his/her loyalty, and one who fights for his/her beliefs. The official definition of a warrior is “one who takes part in a struggle or conflict.” So, based on your assertion that I need to be a Christian warrior, if you examine God’s word without pretense and compare it with the rituals, ideas, and beliefs of Delta, you would, “educated women”, be able to make a logical parallel between what a warrior is and what I am doing to uphold foundational kingdom standards. I am not willing to be amicable about or tolerant of a body of believers who take on Christian identity while underneath giving honor and paying homage to Christ’s enemy, in this case it would be Minerva; in response to your claim that I need to be a Christian Warrior, I say this: I am opposed to the discrepancy that Delta is based on Christian principles while it exalts Christ’s enemy. This is oxymoronic. Warriors are warriors because they fight against oppositional forces, and Minerva is an oppositional force to Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit. She definitely “ain’t” on the side of righteousness. Greek paganism is the same today as it was centuries ago, when Paul penned much of the New Testament and addressed idolatry. You are a Delta warrior for the same reasons you fail to recognize in my stance against Delta and for Christ. Hypocrite. Minerva is not a part of the Holy Trinity. She is spawn from paganism, and her father is Satan. She does not co-exist as a spiritual force in God’s Church, contrary to what the popular COEXIST bumper sticker touts. If she does, then it is not God’s church. Go to your house of worship and tell your pastor that Minerva is the supplier of your wisdom, tell him that you are inspired by this Greek/Roman goddess, tell him that you give her honor and that you adorn your car and key chains and closets with her image to pay her respect. God is not okay with this, the bible tells me so. If your pastor is a true shepherd, he will tell you to flee from Minerva and all her dealings, because she does not represent God. So what if Delta does many great deeds, works will not earn you a spot in heaven. Refresh your knowledge on the wiles of Satan, because even he can appear to do work for the Lord and be up to no good. In Acts 16:16 a demon possessed girl appeared to be a supporter of Paul and Silas, yet it was a manipulative ploy of Satan to try to profit from and discredit Paul’s missionary efforts. Paul knew it and he exposed it. I know Minerva is not the source of wisdom and I am exposing it. You choose to go along with it. We all have free will. Warriors protest when there is a conflict. Minerva is in direct conflict with Christ. My issue with Minerva is not personal, it is biblical. Delta can’t seem to separate her from the organization, even if they try to verbalize this fallacious sentiment, the truth is that she is integral in Delta’s foundation. You exalt her, which is obvious in your defensive response. I exalt Christ. There is no compromise. Spiritually speaking, your response is indicative that you are not willing to serve Christ exclusively. Logically, your response is indicative that you don’t understand what a warrior really is. Stop throwing around cliques and be about business.
    You don’t know me but I guess Minerva told you that I had low self esteem and that I was never strong enough to be in Delta to begin with. Minerva is also telling you that she is on God’s side, that hazing is okay even if it is against the law, that abuse is permissible if you really want to fit in, that it is okay to turn a blind eye to criminal activity. I am glad I don’t listen to Minerva. She is a liar like her father. And I praise God that I now know that I do not need her or her accomplices’ approval, acceptance or inclusion.
    Furthermore, you need to really research what is NOT being told to you, which is the hidden association between Delta Sigma Theta and Eastern Stars…the parent demonic agency that ultimately influenced the formation of this watered down version of the Masonic, luciferian entity. Eastern Stars call you, Delta sorors, their “daughter.” You are so entrenched in false glory, duplicity and moral irony that that you cannot see straight. Many times the disciples did not get what Jesus was teaching because they were only seeking the obvious. May the Holy Spirit show you what is not obvious in this covertly demonic organization. I am not bitter about my experience, I am grateful to have gone through it because I can tell others what very few members/former members are willing to reveal. I am breaking the cycle of delusion, and I would not be able to do so had God not allowed me to go through it. I will not cowtow to Minerva, the Minerva Circle, and Delta Sigma Theta, the pyramid, the false notions of death, burial and resurrection that culminate during underground hazing, and elitism that continues to separate African-Americans. I will not kowtow to the guise of Detla’s existence. And I will speak out because the lies of Delta and other BGLOs inundate universities and communities all over the world. The truth will always outlive a lie. I am required to speak the truth, I get my orders from Christ as outlined in scripture, not Minerva.
    It is amazing that I call myself and ex-delta…the amazing grace of God. Thanks.

  155. 155
    Ex Delta 

    A word to the “travelers”
    Traveling to the light
    That has already been defined
    Traveling toward the light
    That has already been declared
    There is no secret; the mystery was revealed on Calvary
    It is available to the adopted Sons of Abraham,
    Gentiles, the Light is for you,
    Even though you were not born a chosen Jew
    The thief on the cross had no secret rituals to follow
    He simply believed what Christ said
    And in what Christ did
    Which was enough to raise Him up from the dead
    But Satan tries to interject and confuse
    He made a secret plan to pollute
    The path to the Vine that is True
    A secret movement to find the “light”
    A distraction and a diversion directly to himself
    Damned to eternal destruction
    “Travelers”: be leery of his help
    His “light” is the night
    It will never see the relief of day
    A pit that will succumb to torment
    And consume the souls that have been led astray
    …By the fake light…
    An imposter who connives with intelligent lies
    “Travelers”: this is enlightenment in disguise
    The Truth lives in the One True Vine
    Onward Christian Soldiers
    The battle cry is very clear
    Christ won it already,
    He traveled the path
    That none of us could
    So, there is no mysterious journey
    To an undisclosed truth, or to a mysterious light
    Though difficult it will be at times during our earthly life
    Christ paid it all, trust the Holy Spirit
    To get us through the mire and the strife
    We wrestle not against flesh and blood
    Test the spirits by the Spirit
    Fall not for Lucifer’s tricks
    Let the Word of God alone
    Become your measuring stick
    Holy Spirit lead the way through the text
    Reveal demonic trickery and intellectual schemes
    Secret orders, fraternal codes, heroines and “degrees”
    Are too wide to fit through the narrow gate
    No matter how much community service
    They boast on their slate
    This is an invention of a fallen angel
    Too jealous to submit, so he chose to rebel
    Snatching souls straight to hell
    “Travelers”: You are not the master of your fate
    Your very life you did not create
    Christ already traveled down the weary road,
    And He does not hide the details therein

    The journey has already been traveled for the redemption of sin
    The Gospel is explicit, evident and clear
    What Christ did, what Christ said
    Was powerful enough to be raised from the dead
    His resurrection is the only Light that is true
    Ask the thief on the cross what he had to do…
    There was no secret journey to travel and or rituals to be taught
    You are fighting to win the battle for “enlightenment”
    That Christ has already fought
    In paradise the thief opened his eyes
    And it was not because he believed in Lucifer’s “enlightenment” lies
    In Christ alone there is eternal victory
    Not secret orders or rituals shrouded in mystery.
    Christ is enough, unhidden and True,
    Many travel on the Wide Road
    But chosen are few.

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    Carla 

    While some of the information admin presented is true (but not the universal experience), my biggest problem is with your tone. As a born-again, saved by grace believer isn’t the essence of our Savior Christ love? I find many of the responses (on both sides) to be petty and spiteful and while we should all be more kind to each other, I do feel if you represent yourself as a minister of the Gospel, you have an obligation to witness in love first and foremost. I pray that you are as fervent about bringing others to the knowledge of Christ’s salvation as you are in preaching against DST and the other bglo’s. FYI, I am a member of DST, albeit inactive for many years due to other higher priorities (church, family, work). I am married and yes, my line sisters and other sorors are truly my sisters. Neither DST nor any other organization can cause you to misplace your priorities unless you let it. BTW, that divorce/unmarried stat is actually better than the divorce rate of the general population (50%), churched and unchurched. Before I become active again, I will research some of the new semantics/direction largely because of the well-worded, intelligent, non-judgmental post from JMB.

  157. 157
    admin 

    “BTW, that divorce/unmarried stat is actually better than the divorce rate of the general population (50%), churched and unchurched.” Carla

    I would like to deal with this accurate, but very misleading statement. What is misleading is that the Bible, not a Pastor, church, or its members, teaches fidelity and no divorce in marriage between two believers unless there be death or unfaithfulness by one spouse. If churches are teaching what the Bible said, then it is truly the failure of the individuals with no help from the document and/or institution that granted them the true right to marry.

    I do not see this in any DST document where it teaches its members to be faithful to their spouses, yet I do see countless numbers of times where it teaches loyalty, fidelity, and a no divorce clause in it. Even the words of the DST sweetheart song wreak of this unabated, undivided loyalty, clamoring that the bride’s FIRST LOVE is DST, and sing it right in front of the groom, correct me if I am wrong. So let’s not compare the two stats on uneven ground.

  158. 158
    ChangeOfMind 

    Up until I came upon the website/blog, (Don’t Go Greek), I thought I wanted to become a part of the alumnae chapter of DST. Out of the many people that I know who are a part of one of the BGLO’s, I found one person who told me the truth about it; she is an AKA. She hasn’t denounced her letters but she told me that it really isn’t about the sisterhood and brotherhood that they say they are about. She doesn’t participate in any of their events/meetings. I really appreciate everything that you have written on this website. It has truly helped me in my decision making because you have said things that no one who is active will state about their GLO.

    To me it is a secret organization because they are not allowed to show anyone who is not a member of their specific GLO what is in those binders or handbooks that they receive. The person who said that everything you need to know can be found on the internet is a lie. What goes on behind closed doors are not revealed to those who are not a part of that organization. I would like one of them to give me the website to find out EVERYTHING I want to know. I was helping my friend move and came across a bag she had that was filled with all of her DST binders and books and I could not even touch the bag let alone the binders and books.

    It’s interesting how they are supposed to be all about the community and serving and helping those in need but I have never seen them rally together and protest to really help those in need. When African Americans (AA) are being prosecuted, I have never seen or heard on the news that BGLO’s got together and protested about the unfair treatment of AA in the courts. I have never seen them in the background of a news report holding picket signs and rallying for equal rights of all. Talk is really cheap. If they are so well known to help within the community, why aren’t people flocking to them for assistance.

    Another thing I don’t understand is that they behave as if they own the colors and letters of that organization and they are the only ones who can make those sounds they make. I was told that when you attend that initial meeting to show interest, you cannot wear that BGLO’s colors or any other BGLO’s colors and you can’t make those sounds that they make. Why does it have to be that way?

    I agree with what you are doing. People are becoming defensive of what you are saying because it is the truth. Satan gets mad when he realizes that people are no longer blinded by the deception of these organizations. God is love and He doesn’t treat me like the dirt we walk on to show His love to me. I am not paying anyone or anything an amount of money yearly to like me or accept me.

    I am no longer interested in being a part of a BGLO…

  159. 159
    Curious 

    My mother is a member of DST yet she is also a Christian. Though I can’t tell you what is in her heart (only God can) I know she is born again. She is one of those people that you can see God working through them. My mother prays for others before/more than herself, she is loving, kind, and keeps a daily devotion/time with God every morning. She goes to him for counsel and praise… so though i can’t know what is in her heart i feel i can see it in her actions.

    I have grown up in the church, i am a sinner, but i am also a Christian. I know about salvation, how you can be saved i also recall reading somewhere in the Bible that once you are in God’s hand you can’t be taken out of it. I have done research on the free masons, eastern stars, illuminati, and other things. I know that those things are not of God.

    I’m not sure when my mother was born again. i do know it wasn’t until she was in college when she really began trying to have a real relationship with Jesus Christ. i couldn’t tell you if that was before or after she was apart of DST. My question to you Minister Hatchett is if someone is REALLY saved and they are a member of a bglo is that merely a sin of idolatry or is it blaspheme and can you still go to heaven?

    My mother hasn’t been an active member since she had me and my sisters plus her career as well as my father’s has moved us around quite a bit. I’m just curious what this whole greek thing means for a Christian.

    Can you love the Lord with all your heart and soul and be a true Christian yet still be greek (w/o doing the rituals and the oaths)?

  160. 160
    Keep it simple 

    After reading all the above post I have to say I am appalled by the actions of this Minister/Admin. Because it would seem you feed of negativity I will not feed that thirst I will merely say that you sir can not call yourself a man of God yet alone a man of the clothe by condemning any individual to hell, granted you have not verbally made such statements but your tone speaks volumes over your words.To a certain degree EVERYONE judges both consciously and subconsciously, but to use scripture and Christ to judge I PERSONALLY feel is a abomination against the kingdom of God. We are commanded as men and women of Christ to first and foremost LOVE our brethren, we are not to outcast him because he is lost we are to envelop him with love and the teachings of Christ it is not our job to convict any one as Christians we are to give the information and leave it to the holy spirit whose job it is to convict a sinner. As a professed minister I would like to believe you know and understand this ideology. One of the most beautiful, intelligent, empathetic, GODLY christian woman I have ever met was a active member in Alpha Kappa Alpha , she is a reason why I am interested in pledging now , the woman I speak of is none other than the former first lady of the Brooklyn Tabernacle Reverend Timothy Wright Sr, wife Betty Wright. Three of the most intelligent women I have ever known all in the world of academia where members of Delta Sigma Theta ( my mentor), and two of which are members of Alpha Kappa Alpha. I personally believe the text in the bible to be interpretive in the fact that the original text of the people is written in a form of Hebrew most Hebrew scholars have a difficult time deciphering, not only that but the bible is a age old document that has been altered down through the years. Simple use of words is a good example of this , the term ” know” biblical sense is to have sexual relations with some one but in current society to know something is to have a deeper comprehension and understand of something. In closing admin/minister Fred, I can not condemn your behavior on this page, I will say I find it interesting that one some points that were raised by other bloggers on this page you chose to only address certain aspects or points they raised. I think this fact speaks volumes over any snide quip I’m sure you will rebuttal with. All I ask is that you ask GOD to lead you in your crusade against Greek letter organizations. Its apparent through your numerous texts that you have a particular bone to pick with Delta sigma theta as a whole for upholding premarital sex and abortion , to address the former I feel as Christians we can not be commanded to love our neighbors but care not for his mental spiritual, emotional or physical health simply because he has not heard his calling to Christ. Now personally the issuing of contraceptives I feel is a bit of promoting sexual behavior, and not enough abstinence but I do feel it is our God commanded duty to educate the masses of the risk of premarital sex and unprotected sex, to equivocate this argument, we can compare college as students to that of children , as a parent I can tell my child til im blue in the face , “don’t touch the stove its hot and will burn you” but as a parent I have done my job in protecting my baby by informing him/ her of the dangers of touching a hot stove, even though I knew before they did it that they were going to see for themselves. College students are no different trust me I know I’m a 4th year student at North Carolina Central University. Although our campus leaders and organizations have preached BOTH safe sex and abstinence the NEW cases ( mostly meaning freshman) is not declining but rising, why is this not because nobody told them not to do it or if your going to do it be safe, its rising simply because as a college kid you feel invincible, Your away from home for a extended amount of time no REAL rules to follow you do what you want as say to hell with the consequences. I say all this to say your issue should not be with the Greeks but instead with the individual and the society we are in that has been step up to make us fall. All of the motivations you listed are politically charged individual preferences, and as a minister it is in my opinion that is is irresponsible for you to blur the lines of politics and religion without giving a method to your “apparent” madness. My flesh would love to condemn you and say your are not a man of the cloth as you proclaim but that would be judgmental and the Christ I serve has commanded me against such behavior so I will close with the following scripture from Mathew 7:16 By their fruits you will easily recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thorns or figs from brambles? Minster what fruits are you bearing?
    Sidenote: as far as the rituals associated with greek letter orgs I can not speak on their existence yet alone the context in which they are used or the importance they hold in the organization of my choice but upon further investigation ( after I cross) I will be sure to let you know and recant any above statements, another christian quality, HUMILITY, being humble enough to come to my brother or sister when I was wrong and apologizing is one of the major premises of our faith again as I stated above, these are all principles you should be very well aware of minister.
    God bless

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    Keep it simple 

    Grace Tabernacle * a Slight amendment to my above post excuse the incorrect name listed as the church of Reverend Timothy Wright.

  162. 162
    HEADED EAST 

    Greetings brothers and sisters, I come to you all in the name of the GRAND ARCHITECT of this UNIVERSE, I pray peace over your hearts minds and souls. If I may say something there are no right or wrong religions or beliefs in this world. The all knowing and wise CREATOR knows that there are 7.2billion people on this earth we all have different ups downs amd situations.

    To the admin you say that DST needs to study their history, I ask have you studied the bloody history of Christianity.

    Your way may suit you and not I, my oath and path may suit me and not yyou. My wife is a delta, if my daughter so chooses she will be as well. I am seeking degrees in masonry,if my sons so choose to follow the example I set so be it, if the don’t I won’t look at them or feel ill towards them.

    I said all that to say don’t allow your experience hinder someone’s growth and maturation, I know lots of “Greek” before and after they are different much more mature more grounded humble, their actions are thought out instead of irrational like before.

  163. 163
    admin 

    MY RESPONSE TO: KEEP IT SIMPLE VIA E-MAIL

    I just wanted to respond to you personally, because I believe the post was worth examination. It will be posted in its entirety without interruption.

    KIS
    After reading all the above post I have to say I am appalled by the actions of this Minister/Admin. Because it would seem you feed of negativity I will not feed that thirst I will merely say that you sir can not call yourself a man of God yet alone a man of the clothe by condemning any individual to hell, granted you have not verbally made such statements but your tone speaks volumes over your words.

    Min. H
    You are using conjecture to support such a statement. You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing me of. You made the condemnation of me, while at the same time using subjective criteria to base it on. I do not believe you are in any position to judge my position, and I will explain why later.

    KIS
    To a certain degree EVERYONE judges both consciously and subconsciously, but to use scripture and Christ to judge I PERSONALLY feel is a abomination against the kingdom of God.

    Min. H
    The truth is the exact thing all Christians should use to judge. So what you feel is not scripturally justifiable.

    KIS
    We are commanded as men and women of Christ to first and foremost LOVE our brethren, we are not to outcast him because he is lost we are to envelop him with love and the teachings of Christ it is not our job to convict any one as Christians we are to give the information and leave it to the holy spirit whose job it is to convict a sinner.

    Min. H
    Actually, you are incorrect. We are to earnestly contend for the faith, make our case for the gospel (apologetics), which is what Jesus and Paul employed on a regular basis. They made convincing statements of truth with the hope and purpose of conviction.

    KIS
    As a professed minister I would like to believe you know and understand this ideology. One of the most beautiful, intelligent, empathetic, GODLY christian woman I have ever met was a active member in Alpha Kappa Alpha , she is a reason why I am interested in pledging now , the woman I speak of is none other than the former first lady of the Brooklyn Tabernacle Reverend Timothy Wright Sr, wife Betty Wright.

    Min. H
    If she was an active member, explain why nothing can be found to support this fact. Now I will say this, the COGIC church USED to take a position against secret societies, which I do not think is the case now. Have you ever heard of Mother Lizzie Robinson, “Then her daughter became her traveling companion. Mother taught the Word of God in power, against Lodges, exposing their rituals. She was imprisoned, rotten-egged, and beaten for this.” http://cogic.net/cogiccms/cogic-international-womens-department/about-us-2/about-us/

    “1918 October the Federal Bureau of Investigation opened an FBI file on Mother Lizzie Robinson because she was a part of Bishop Charles Harrison Mason’s organization that believed in the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. She was jailed for her religious beliefs and for being a leader of the women’s movement of the Church of God in Christ during an era where Women’s Suffrage Rights hadn’t been born. The Klu Klux Klan didn’t want to acknowledge her as a female leader individual crowds rotten egged her when she entered certain cities because of lack of finances she entered on foot she was imprisoned often for her faith, rotten-egged, and beaten for teaching the word of God as a African American female pioneer leader of her day. Mother realized that she had to continue because she had to leave a foundation for other women that would stand upon her shoulders that women’ ministry would be a part of the next generations future.” http://www.cogicmuseum.org/Home.htm

    Now DST heralds themselves as key players in the woman’s suffrage movement, but how much acknowledgment do you think they give to Mother Lizzie?

    KIS
    Three of the most intelligent women I have ever known all in the world of academia where members of Delta Sigma Theta ( my mentor), and two of which are members of Alpha Kappa Alpha. I personally believe the text in the bible to be interpretive in the fact that the original text of the people is written in a form of Hebrew most Hebrew scholars have a difficult time deciphering, not only that but the bible is a age old document that has been altered down through the years.

    Min. H
    “I personally believe the text in the bible to be interpretive”. The Bible says different. II Peter 1:19-21

    KIS
    Simple use of words is a good example of this , the term ” know” biblical sense is to have sexual relations with some one but in current society to know something is to have a deeper comprehension and understand of something.

    Min. H
    But what is not being dealt with are that there are other words for know that employ the meaning of understanding, which shows the richness of the Greek and Hebrew language. So this is why context is so important. Just because words change over time does nto mean their meaning is changed from what was originally written. It’s a deceptive practice.

    KIS
    In closing admin/minister Fred, I can not condemn your behavior on this page, I will say I find it interesting that one some points that were raised by other bloggers on this page you chose to only address certain aspects or points they raised. I think this fact speaks volumes over any snide quip I’m sure you will rebuttal with.

    Min. H
    No rebuttal! I do my best to answer all statements, but some do not require or are worth responding to, and I have good reason for not responding. So it does speak volumes, but not in the way you attempted to portray it. And by the way, you just did condemn my behavior, “on this page” !!!!!!!!!!!! My accusers almost always end up doing what they accuse me of.

    KIS
    All I ask is that you ask GOD to lead you in your crusade against Greek letter organizations. Its apparent through your numerous texts that you have a particular bone to pick with Delta sigma theta as a whole for upholding premarital sex and abortion, to address the former I feel as Christians we can not be commanded to love our neighbors but care not for his mental spiritual, emotional or physical health simply because he has not heard his calling to Christ.

    Min. H
    Okay!!!!!!!

    KIS
    Now personally the issuing of contraceptives I feel is a bit of promoting sexual behavior, and not enough abstinence but I do feel it is our God commanded duty to educate the masses of the risk of premarital sex and unprotected sex, to equivocate this argument, we can compare college as students to that of children , as a parent I can tell my child til im blue in the face , “don’t touch the stove its hot and will burn you” but as a parent I have done my job in protecting my baby by informing him/ her of the dangers of touching a hot stove, even though I knew before they did it that they were going to see for themselves.

    Min. H
    Teaching of the dangers has nothing to do with telling them to wear a condom. I taught sex education in a Christian setting, without once promoting protection. I gave them all the facts, including this one, a thin piece of latex does not prevent the sin of fornication, nor does it truly make sex safe from the physical aspect either. You all are being handed a pack of lies.

    KIS
    College students are no different trust me I know I’m a 4th year student at North Carolina Central University.

    Min. H
    Trust me I was a college senior before you were born, and ministered on that same campus well before you got there.

    KIS
    Although our campus leaders and organizations have preached BOTH safe sex and abstinence the NEW cases ( mostly meaning freshman) is not declining but rising, why is this not because nobody told them not to do it or if your going to do it be safe, its rising simply because as a college kid you feel invincible, Your away from home for a extended amount of time no REAL rules to follow you do what you want as say to hell with the consequences.

    Min. H
    Are you professionally qualified to make this determination? I am asking because the Christian professionals disagree. Do your campus leaders take this same position on gay sex, or do they condemn it?

    KIS
    I say all this to say your issue should not be with the Greeks but instead with the individual and the society we are in that has been step up to make us fall.

    Min. H
    And Greeks are juts one of the MANY pawns in this plan. It was actually the Greeks issue that made me aware of the more serious issue, Greeks who profess to be saved. I got more push back from the church than anywhere else.

    KIS
    All of the motivations you listed are politically charged individual preferences, and as a minister it is in my opinion that is is irresponsible for you to blur the lines of politics and religion without giving a method to your “apparent” madness.

    Min. H
    If you cal a Biblical Worldview politics and religion that’s cool, but I have a method to my “apparent” madness, which is another “condemnation on this page”. LOL!!!!!! But if you would personally like to know what I think and feel about this whole issue, and be made privy to some information of what you will say and do, I am only 20 miles down I-40.

    KIS
    My flesh would love to condemn you and say your are not a man of the cloth as you proclaim but that would be judgmental and the Christ I serve has commanded me against such behavior

    Min. H
    He has not done so in certain situations, besides you have clearly judged me throughout this piece.

    KIS
    so I will close with the following scripture from Mathew 7:16 By their fruits you will easily recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thorns or figs from brambles? Minster what fruits are you bearing?

    Min. H
    And what fruits are you bearing?

    According to an Ex-AKA, who once despised the very same things you mention here, realized that after reading other sites from both sides that I truly did care, loved, and had concern for the souls of all those involved both saved and unsaved. So I find it odd that you did not mention any of the other posters and what they said here.

    KIS
    Sidenote: as far as the rituals associated with greek letter orgs I can not speak on their existence yet alone the context in which they are used or the importance they hold in the organization of my choice but upon further investigation ( after I cross) I will be sure to let you know and recant any above statements, another christian quality, HUMILITY, being humble enough to come to my brother or sister when I was wrong and apologizing is one of the major premises of our faith again as I stated above, these are all principles you should be very well aware of minister.

    Min. H
    Well, I know you plan to participate in the paper process. So I have know worries for you there. But I know these rituals exist because I have them, and the context is clear, because the content is explained. But if you feel you must have the experience, that is up to you. But if i know anything about NCCU, prepare yourself. Going in blindly is one thing, going through blindly and coming out blindly is another. Why not ask for the rituals, their explanation, and meanings prior to pledging? How you answer this question will speak volumes.

    Min. H
    919/278-8911

    God bless

    Let Jesus Be Glorified by you,

    John 12:32

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    admin 

    FROM A POST UNDER ANOTHER TOPIC

    “@ Nicole I agree with you a 100% and I crossed over as an Alpha almost 19 years ago but when the Holy Spirit starting dealing with me about denouncing Alpha, He started also dealing with me about the holidays as well and I don’t believe God will deal with you in one area and not deal with you in other areas that needs to be dealt with. You are right when you study and research a lot of what we call holidays you will see that they are no different than some of the gods of the fraternities and sororities” Raul Ramon

  165. 165
    admin 

    headed east
    Greetings brothers and sisters, I come to you all in the name of the GRAND ARCHITECT of this UNIVERSE, I pray peace over your hearts minds and souls. If I may say something there are no right or wrong religions or beliefs in this world. The all knowing and wise CREATOR knows that there are 7.2billion people on this earth we all have different ups downs and situations.

    Min. H
    Are you absolutely sure of this? Jesus is the Creator and He said, I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no man come unto the Father but by me. Jesus is also God.

    headed east
    To the admin you say that DST needs to study their history, I ask have you studied the bloody history of Christianity.

    Min. H
    True Christians don’t go on bloody rampages. So have you studied God’s Word.

    headed east
    Your way may suit you and not I, my oath and path may suit me and not you. My wife is a delta, if my daughter so chooses she will be as well. I am seeking degrees in masonry,if my sons so choose to follow the example I set so be it, if the don’t I won’t look at them or feel ill towards them.

    Min. H
    I told my children and showed my children the truth about these organizations. Now they have full knowledge of what they are getting themselves into, not some daddy telling their son or mother telling their daughter, “I CAN’T TELL YOU, IT’S A SECRET.”

    headed east
    I said all that to say don’t allow your experience hinder someone’s growth and maturation, I know lots of “Greek” before and after they are different much more mature more grounded humble, their actions are thought out instead of irrational like before.

    Min. H
    I have no objective proof to that fact. Beside, how do you know what rational truly is? What it is to you may not be to another. Moral relativity always crumbles under its own weight.

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    Daff 

    Ok I just ran across this blog and I want to say everyone is going to,believe they’er right. But to state wht I think….I think u should research, and ask about organizations before u hop in. DST may have hazed SOMEWHERE…Tht does not mean all chapters and all colleges do. Didfferent things happends at different places. It is very unfortunet tht some ppl go through these this. But im sure if ur getting hazed u cant be tht person and speak up about it. They do get in trouble for tht. Now my mom told me wen I was younger to stand up for my self, u have tht chocie ppl, dont let one persons expireance take a hold of urs.

  167. 167
    Cheryl 

    I did not read all the responses. I am sorry that you had a bad experience. When I pledged, I refused to allow anyone to touch me inappropriately.

    I think it is alright to leave an organization because one’s views have changed over time, realizing that what works for you may or may not work for others. It is a privilege to be able to choose. All the best in your future endeavors.

  168. 168
    no thanks 

    SORORITIES WORSHIP THE DEVIL. INDERECTLY, BUT THEY DO. THERE IS TOO MUCH SWEARING AND NEW ALLEGIANCE THAT TAKES AWAY FROM GOD’S REQUIREMENTS OF US. FOR EXAMPLE, A SIMPLE “DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNR=TO YOU”. GREEK SOCIETIES PREACH FRATERNAL LOVE IS NOT WITHOUT BEING FOUND WORTHY, BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOUR SISTERS OR BROTHERS HARMS NON-MEMBERS IN ANY WAY? YOU CANNOT SIDE EITH THE OUTSIDER OR YOU BREAK THE “LINE. IF YOU BREAK THE LINE YOU ARE “PUNISHED”. YOU ARE STUCK IN A HELL HOLE WITH PEOPLE THAT HOLD YOU TO SIDING WITH THEM NO MATTER THE COST. OF COURSE MANY GREEKS ARE GOOD PEOPLE, BUT BEING IN A VICE LIKE THE SIMPLE ONE I JUST ILLUSTRATED IS NOT FOR GOD’S CHILDREN )MY OPINION).

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    Khara 

    Love this blog! This is a great post and she is 100% telling the truth! I am an Ex-Greek myself (former AKA) and I can agree with everything she says….from experience. The Holy Spirit convicted me boldly about being in my sorority after I made a true commitment and dedication to reading and studying my Word and focusing on seeking a greater relationship with Him without distraction. This yearning to grow closer and stronger in my relationship with Christ, originally, had nothing to do with my membership in a sorority. However, after being immersed daily in the Truth of God’s Word, it exposed any errors or deceptions in my life which lead to a strong conviction about AKA and all greek life. God is not pleased with these organizations and please do not believe the lie about them being based on Christian principles or that the organizations are “non-hazing” organizations. If you are a current member of these organizations and a professed Christian, seriously take time out to pray and ask God about these organizations. See if their actions and deeds line up with the Word of God. If you honestly seek God’s Truth regarding this and are prepared to be obedient, He’ll reveal it to you.

    Be Blessed Everyone!

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    Chiffon 

    Thanks for this blog! For nearly seven years dating back when I was in eighth grade, I just knew I would go off to college, make great grades, meet new people, and join all the orgs available on campus! In particular, Delta Sigma Theta, why? Because I was literally brainwashed by the many school teachers who I considered mentors or “second mothers”. I am a born again Christian and as it was time for me to go off to college in 09, I went to a HBCU. Greek Life was probably the first thing I saw first…the trees, the benches, the sidewalks nicely painted with each orgs letter etc. it was appealing to the eye! I was determine to become apart of DST, so I took the advice of one of my aunts who is a member and some of the mentors

    DO YOUR RESEARCH….I bought “In Search of Sisterhood” read it 3 times!

    I was consistent with my community service

    I went to DST events etc…

    when it was time for the interest mtg, I had spent most of my day surfing youtube looking at probates just to get a glimpse of what to “expect” as I tried to click on a certain video another played and it was a young woman speaking out against BLGOs it was 24min long video and I watch the entire thing and all I could do was thank God for bringing the video to me. I realize that the will of the FLESH is powerful and that there was never a LOGICAL reason on why I could not be who I am and do what I love to and have friendships (sisterhood/brotherhood) without committing myself to a organization. I am 20 yrs old and I know whats right and what’s wrong! I cannot serve two gods and those who say you can be greek and christian I have to disagree, it just wont work. Thanks again for the blog!

    I’ll being praying for those with great affliction whether you are debating if joining will hurt your walk with Christ or if you are in denial about your org and the things “Minister and former greeks” have stated.

    BE BLESSED!

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    nina 

    My sister…as a member of the D-9 I find it sad it had to come to an end for you this way. And perhaps you’re right…that the lust of the flesh and pride of life got the best of you when you decided to “be a Delta.” Never in my 15 years did I want to be anybody’s “anything.” One of the reasons I chose Sigma Gamma Rho is that I could be the woman I needed to be. The chapter I chose was a non-hazing (hands off) chapter. I caught flak from peers but held my own. As Basileus, I lead my chapter with the most hours of Community Service in all 23 fraternal organizations on campus, some with over 100 members and our little 7 members worked our hears out.

    What am I trying to say? I boast nothing but Christ’s grace that allowed me to find wisdom in choosing Sigma the season I chose it. No, we are not popular, nor are we perfect, but none of my Sorors (or the ones I kept company with) had the attitude that we needed to be worshiped. Not because we were the “least” either…it was because many of us believed worship belongs to the Creator. And over the years I’ve learned not to get sucked in to the concept of worshiping others, namely rival SisterGreeks and Fraternities. We are all human and in need of a Savior.

    If indeed you were called out of darkness…then be OWT as you hear some Greeks say. But Jesus was among sinners and knew no sin, yet His consistent acts of love, kindness, unwavering reverence to God our Creator and respect for humankind won more souls than a fireborn sermon. Perhaps that is my mission as a Christian Greek, in search of sanctification. I will admit, I am not saint, but neither are you. And a just person falls 7 times but gets up 8…and Christ receives them as His own.

    Pray for our family to get up…again and again.

    Peace in His Bond and Service…

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    MyLeader 

    Well I was once considering DST… I am a sophomore at SUBR.. I’ve always looked into doing BUT everytime it came close I would get an uneasy feeling like it was wrong… I’vd heard that greeks are here to do good things, but all I’ve saw is animosity amongst them.. DST not liking AKA… APA not like KAY! it’s all nonsense to me.. Then the one’s that cross it’s as if they begin to think they’re better than the next… I DON’T KNOW WHY because you’re still the name persosn you were before you got letters… Also it’s as if the MASS majority of the people I’ve seen pledge ONLY do it to have friends, get all the girls/boys, or just to fit in… Basically if the orginizations were organized to HELP the community, I have yet to see this carried out..!

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    DST2009 

    I would like to know where exactly you received your information from. I’m a little confused at this website. Actually I am a offended. I am a member of Delta Sigma Theta who was initiated in 2009 and the fact that this website questions my love for God is disappointing. You call members of BGLOs followers and worshipers of everything other than our lord and savior Jesus Christ but have you taken the time to talk to the members of BGLOs to ask them their opinion. I know plenty of Devout Christians who are members of BGLOs and there is no conflict with their organization and their spiritual beliefs. I will say this… If there was ANYTHING within DST that went against my beliefs in God I will give up my letters today. But I have yet to find anything of that nature. It’s sad because a lot of the bloggers on your website don’t have a mind of their own and just decide to go with what they read about without having any tangible proof. Its unfortunate really that you all have decided to judge me and my brother/sister greeks and then decide in your spirit that you are doing God’s will. Misguided you all are and I hope God grants you all some sort of sense.

    Also for those reading this research this….
    Have you notice that a lot of these websites who preach this message have something to sell to you as well (books, tapes, cds, etc)

    Please do your own research and draw your own conclusions and do not base your findings on the opinions of those who are more religious (saying they believe in God) than spiritual (letting the light of God shine through them)

    Peace and love to all who read this

    DST2009

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    stepscloser 

    Phi Sigma Sigma secrets:
    Phi Sigma Sigma (PSS) secretly stands for Philanthropic Social Society. However, this is never written down or recorded (until now) because it is so “sacred”. The Handshake consists of a series of motions. Member A first begins with the pointer finger and the thumb surrounding Member B’s pointer finger and thumb. This is the “Phi”. Then Member A wraps the remaining fingers, middle, ring and pinky around the hand as a symbol of the “Sigma”. Depending on who is the senior member, the pinky finger is wrapped around the older member’s hand. Next is the hand knock. It goes Knock. Pause. Knock. Pause. Knock, knock, knock. The meetings are set up usually with the President, VP and other officers sitting at the front. The President wears a yellow or gold robe and the officers wear royal blue robes. The remaining members sit across from the officers in a pyramid formation with the base closest to the officers and the apex farthest from the officers. Members are seated by class order, then by alphabetical order. The table at which the President and Vice President are seated consists of candles on each side. Two gold candles and one blue at each corner of the table. Members usually recite an oath, “We, the members of Phi Sigma Sigma, promise to keep secret and sacred all of our proceedings.” The way to enter the pyramid is by using the hand knock to notify the members you are wanting to enter the room. The President will respond back with her gavel by repeating the knock. The person will enter then travel to the apex of the pyramid formation. The President will say the secret and sacred words “Remove the Veil” and then the member will respond back with the Chapter’s name, example, “Zeta Eta.” The Gold and King Blue symbolize “Perpetuity” and “Sincerity”. At initiation, blue “veils” (tulle from the local fabric store) are placed on the heads of the potential new members and are later removed to symbolize some sort of occult transformation and that they are full-fledged members.

    Min. H
    I will try to confirm this information as soon as I can.

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    Ashli Dees 

    Everyone has presented arguements for each side, but what I’m not seeing is a solution. Are you suggesting that there be a christianity requirement before joining the organization?? I get that the hazing is wrong and terrible, but what more do you want? Would you be satisfied if the hazing was stopped, and the organizations didnt inadvertently but publicly condone ALL religions?

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    admin 

    I may have never mentioned this solution because it never came up, but there is one solution that no Greek to this day has ever accepted……………..

    OPEN MEMBERSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!

    Just like joining the,

    1. NAACP
    2. Urban League
    3. Pro-Life Groups
    4. etc., etc.

    There would be no need for rituals, secrecy, elitism, HAZING, no OATHS, etc. The real reasons why these groups exist would be known almost immediately. They would dissolve and become useless within 5 years. Why? Everybody and their momma would be wearing a shirt, but challenging someone to see if they are members would be fruitless.

    The bonds that they SUPPOSEDLY HAVE would disintegrate.

    Basically, GLO’s would become what they truly are today.

    Mules- Impotent and incapable of producing any offspring (i.e. GLO’s, specifically BGLO’s do not produce any real changes in the Black Community that they claim to be pillars.)

    Example- What have BGLO’s done or TRIED to do to stem the tide of abortion, HIV, and homosexuality in the Black community??????????

    Nothing that is MORALLY CORRECT!!!!!
    Nothing that pertains to a Biblical Worldview!!!!!!!!

  177. 177
    Taciana 

    Some young woman stated that she is already part of a GLO and aspire to become part of a BGLO. SWEETIE! You will never become part of a BGLO if you are already in a GLO. Or vice versa! They will certainly drop that bomb on you. Be happy in the organization you are already a part of…

  178. Actually Taciana, you can join another if you have belonged to another. There is a way, but one I would not condone.

  179. DST2009
    “I would like to know where exactly you received your information from.”

    Min. H
    First of all, what information? Secondly, if you mean DST info, I believe things coming directly from it were quoted.

    DST2009
    I’m a little confused at this website. Actually I am a offended. I am a member of Delta Sigma Theta who was initiated in 2009 and the fact that this website questions my love for God is disappointing. You call members of BGLOs followers and worshipers of everything other than our lord and savior Jesus Christ but have you taken the time to talk to the members of BGLOs to ask them their opinion. I know plenty of Devout Christians who are members of BGLOs and there is no conflict with their organization and their spiritual beliefs. I will say this… If there was ANYTHING within DST that went against my beliefs in God I will give up my letters today.

    Min. H
    I seriously doubt you would. You would just excuse it away and keep on rockin’ your nalia’. DST has a particular section in its ritual on Kwanzaa. I suggest you research Kwanzaa, its founder, and its ritual of worship. Then I would go to the earth, air, fire, and water section. There your Sorority, as it does in other sections misquotes, takes out of context, or simply removes God from the whole equation. It states, [earth, air, fire, and water; it is in these that we live and move and have our being.].

    Now look at Acts 17:28- For IN HIM, we live and move and have our being.

    This is just two out of the many things I have found in your ritual. Now if you’re paper I would not expect to know Invictus, but if you do, how many times did you have to say it when you pledged?

    DST2009
    But I have yet to find anything of that nature. It’s sad because a lot of the bloggers on your website don’t have a mind of their own and just decide to go with what they read about without having any tangible proof.

    Min. H
    I believe you are wrong there. Certain copies of your ritual have been floating around on the net for years. Certain information is accessible, so the tangible proof is there. The old, you haven’t joined, so how can you know excuse is dead.

    DST2009
    Its unfortunate really that you all have decided to judge me and my brother/sister greeks and then decide in your spirit that you are doing God’s will. Misguided you all are and I hope God grants you all some sort of sense.

    Min. H
    I judge the organization. So you have brother and sister greeks, including the ones you made specific covenants with that are sinners? I would call that unequal yoking. As for those who profess to be saved, Christians can and should judge other Christians when necessary.

    DST2009
    Also for those reading this research this….
    Have you notice that a lot of these websites who preach this message have something to sell to you as well (books, tapes, cds, etc)

    Min. H
    My book for right now as it has been for about 4-5 years is free. And by the way, did you receive In Search for Sisterhood free. There are books by Greeks that are certainly not free. So what’s you point???????????

    DST2009
    Please do your own research and draw your own conclusions and do not base your findings on the opinions of those who are more religious (saying they believe in God) than spiritual (letting the light of God shine through them)

    Min. H
    Where as Greeks will tell you to do your research, knowing there is more than what you can find. That’s not religious or spiritual; that’s dishonest.

    Peace and love to all who read this

    DST2009

  180. 180
    RestinJesus 

    For all the Christians in GLO, if your organization has ANY other deity associated with it other than Jesus the Christ the God-man. than its teaches are of the evil on Satan. Please discern the prior statement basic on the bible. if u r nt a Christian this spiritually discerned.

    GLORY TO THE LORD JESUS

  181. 181
    DST2009 

    I can’t help but to feel sorry for you minster. Your so misguided. But I do hope that God forgives you for your ignorance.

    I do believe people like you are the reason why there are a lot of people turned away from God. “Religious people”, ” Church Folk” like yourself who are more comfortable with judging and drawing incorrect conclusions than actually bringing souls to the kingdom.

    The ultimate goal is to bring people to christ am I correct?
    So why would you judge greeks through half truths and whole lies. I am Glad I am a believer in the Gospel of Jesus Christ Already and not rely on you sir for my facts and information.

    But I do have a serious question for you… (since I love a healthy debate)

    Do you feel as If religious leaders who are apart of greek organizations are unable to minster effectively? There are quite a few religious leaders who are greek and I am curious to know your opinion.

  182. 182
    DST2009 

    And the fact that you feel that judging your fellow man is acceptable… Are you reading the same bible that I have.

    Matthew 7:1-5“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    Just in case you forgot what the Word says

    Peace and Love
    DST2009

  183. DST2009
    I can’t help but to feel sorry for you minster. Your so misguided. But I do hope that God forgives you for your ignorance.

    Min. H
    What ignorance? That your sorority promotes Minerva as a symbol of wisdom………..

    And I feel sorry for myself and all of mankind that Jesus had to come and die for us.

    How am I misguided? Because I make the claim that your sorority sings a song at their sorors wedding saying who their first love is. Why even sing that song at a wedding? I will ask an X-DST why, because I do not expect an honest answer from current members.

    How important is the sorority to some? Would they allow their husband to see their ritual?

    DST2009
    I do believe people like you are the reason why there are a lot of people turned away from God. “Religious people”, ” Church Folk” like yourself who are more comfortable with judging and drawing incorrect conclusions than actually bringing souls to the kingdom.

    Min. H
    Well you just judged me, so who is playing the hypocrite here. I know what you will say though, so….. And speaking of religious, do you PAY TITHES.

    DST2009
    The ultimate goal is to bring people to christ am I correct?
    So why would you judge greeks through half truths and whole lies. I am Glad I am a believer in the Gospel of Jesus Christ Already and not rely on you sir for my facts and information.

    Min. H
    I understand that you are doing what you are supposed to do, and that’s protect your sorority at all costs. You have to make people assume that quotes from your ritual are not true, but when they ask for the information they see who is lying.

    DST2009
    But I do have a serious question for you… (since I love a healthy debate)

    Do you feel as If religious leaders who are apart of greek organizations are unable to minster effectively? There are quite a few religious leaders who are greek and I am curious to know your opinion.

    Min. H
    Ones who are completely engrossed in Greek Life, nope! Ones whose heart is not in it, sure they can. Do you have any names? Please leave Vashti McKenzie, Jesse Jackson, Jamal Harrison, and the like out of it. So if you like a healthy debate, why didn’t you give out names?

    Who made the people you are talking about religious leaders? Many religious leaders are pro-abortion, pro-safe sex, which is akin to pro-fornication.

    DST2009
    And the fact that you feel that judging your fellow man is acceptable… Are you reading the same bible that I have.

    Matthew 7:1-5“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    Just in case you forgot what the Word says

    Peace and Love
    DST2009

    Min. H
    You like a healthy debate, yet you used a scripture that supports judging. Verse 5

    Also, judging has many contexts, and meanings in the Bible. Matthew 18:15-18, James 5:16-20, I Corinthians 5:9-13, Titus 3:9-11, John 7:24

    So you want to lock onto one scripture, and call it gold. By the way, I am judging the organization for what they stand on.

  184. 184
    Sage 

    Okay I sat and I read all of this stuff on this page because I am interested in becoming a part Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Inc. I was never interested in sorority life and I was never one to say I am going to pledge. My sister who graduated college already is a part of this organization and she brought to my attention sorority life in my Freshman Year of college. I am not a junior. When I was choosing a school I did not care for sororities, I knew nothing about it. She told me that I should consider sorority life and that I could join any one I want but I was to pick the that fit me best. I looked up Multicultural Sororities, Black ones and everything in between. I found two which were my top choices and in the end I chose DST. I have been watching videos, reading opinions both good and bad about being in a sorority. I have been reading about the pledging process and the effect it has. I been reading the difference between a skater and a pledge. I have looked up things about the graduate chapters. I have done it all. I must say that whether I pledge or “skate” I want to be a part of the sorority. One thing I came across though is, everytime someone says that they have denounced their sorority, whether it be AKA, DST, ZPhiB, APhiA, KAPsi or whatever…whatever Greek Organization they denounce it is mostly about religion. I have seen one who denounced it because she didnt want to be a part of how people were treated. She did like how people looked at her with the hate because of her letters or because people looked at and said they wanted to be like her She did not like that.

    I’m reading these opinions and I taking it all in. I must say that some of the points on both sides are valid but on the other hand, its not. I do believe in God, I wear my cross, I pray, I go to church sometimes and I believe in God. I know my BIble and things. But I also went to school, and studied about Greek Mythology, the Gods and Goddesses…I have studied about other religions, Hinduism, Confucianism, Buddhism, etc and in each of those religions and lifestyles I found something that I connect to. In Buddhism i believe in Samsara and Nirvana and releasing all your desires to live happy. In Confucianism i believe in filial piety and education. Christianity has that too in the 10 commandments with thou shall honor thy father and mother. All these religions have something in comment. Islam has Ramadan to form discipline and appreciation while Christianity has Lent to honor Jesus and everything he has done for. Just because someone has a different way to do it, doesn’t mean they dont do it.

    You guys that Greek Orgs are partying, having abortions and drinking, having sex, and giving out condoms…We cannot stop people from having sex, we cannot stop people from drinking to promote safe behaviour and to promote making good choices is not bad. It is not unholy to try to give someone guidance. Sex is inevitable and if the person is doing it, helping them do it safely and smart should be acknowledged as a good deed and something that can be recognized by God.

    Also, what college student isn’t drinking or having sex with other people in college. Regular people who aren’t in any organization do that on a regular in college. Maybe he admin has a point. I am technically an outsider who has not been through the process and I understand that if I actually do it, my perception could change. Right now I see Minerva as a symbol for what DST stands for, service and wisdom. Being all you can to better the world. Maybe I see it different than someone who has been on the inside. Sex before marriage is a sin but people do it and sins are forgiven. HIV awareness is not sinful and gross. It is better to help people understand the risks and maybe then they will decide not to have sex before marriage.

    On the lines of abortions, I am very mixed about them. I believe that women should have a choice but I also believe that there is almost always another way. I am one for adopting but sometimes a baby isn’t in your plans and it does not fit. Sometimes girls get raped.

    Some people leave sororites and some people stay for life. The Oath thing, are you saying that a doctor to takes an oath to do all he or she can to help people and save lives…you’re saying thats bad to vow to push your hardest to get some healthy again?

    For the people of Greece who believe in these Gods are they wrong?

    Another thing, I do not understand why Greek Orgs in general are secret. I know that it should be an honor to wear your letters and to finish the process to wear their name but the secret binders, the chants that only they can say.. Yes being in an undergrad chapter is a show but why the rivalry and dissing of other groups.

    M boyfriends mother is an AKA and she is a faithful woman of God. She has been an AKA for about 20 years now. Sometimes I do not see where religion fits in all this but then again, I have yet to pledge.

  185. 185
    Regine 

    I’m very interested in membership into DST. I was denied entry because the undergraduate chapter had a line formed prior to the 2011 rush. My interest extends to the amazing women who are members of this chapter and the principle of DST, change. I understand and have personally come across many X-Delta Sigma Theta members who have various reasons of denouncing DST from their lives. Not everything is for everybody. Even if somebody is chosen over you because of foolish reasons besides being judged on the basic requirements and character. Many women will choose or seek membership into AKA, DST, ZphiB, or SGRho regardless of any members woes.

  186. 186
    admin 

    Sage
    I’m reading these opinions and I taking it all in. I must say that some of the points on both sides are valid but on the other hand, its not. I do believe in God, I wear my cross, I pray, I go to church sometimes and I believe in God. I know my BIble and things. But I also went to school, and studied about Greek Mythology, the Gods and Goddesses…I have studied about other religions, Hinduism, Confucianism, Buddhism, etc and in each of those religions and lifestyles I found something that I connect to. In Buddhism i believe in Samsara and Nirvana and releasing all your desires to live happy. In Confucianism i believe in filial piety and education. Christianity has that too in the 10 commandments with thou shall honor thy father and mother. All these religions have something in comment (common). Islam has Ramadan to form discipline and appreciation while Christianity has Lent to honor Jesus and everything he has done for. Just because someone has a different way to do it, doesn’t mean they dont do it.

    Min. H
    But there is one thing that sets Christianity apart from them ALL. A bodily resurrected Savior and a Prophecy Rating of 100%. When you are willing to accept religious plurality, it will be no different MORALLY.

    Sage
    You guys that Greek Orgs are partying, having abortions and drinking, having sex, and giving out condoms…We cannot stop people from having sex, we cannot stop people from drinking to promote safe behaviour and to promote making good choices is not bad. It is not unholy to try to give someone guidance. Sex is inevitable and if the person is doing it, helping them do it safely and smart should be acknowledged as a good deed and something that can be recognized by God.

    Min. H
    But here is the problem Sage with religious plurality; it breeds and accepts immorality. Which God recognizes the good deed. Maybe all the other religions, but not Christianity. Ephesians 2:8-10

    Safe sex is not smart sex, it’s called fornication. So do you think it’s a good deed to promote it regardless of a person’s willingness to obey the God of the Bible?

    Sage
    Also, what college student isn’t drinking or having sex with other people in college. Regular people who aren’t in any organization do that on a regular in college.

    Min. H
    That’s not the point, yet it is. People in Greek Life claim the higher moral ground and even Christian Principles. And by the way, there are virgins in college who remain that way until they get married. But with people like you all promoting safe sex, they pass these ideals right on to their virgin friends and their own children.

    Sage
    Maybe he admin has a point. I am technically an outsider who has not been through the process and I understand that if I actually do it, my perception could change. Right now I see Minerva as a symbol for what DST stands for, service and wisdom.

    Min. H
    How does Jesus see Minerva? Psalms 96
    She’s a dumb idol in that Minerva cannot speak, think, act, etc. Now where’s the wisdom and service in this god? That’s some symbol……..

    Sage
    Being all you can to better the world. Maybe I see it different than someone who has been on the inside. Sex before marriage is a sin but people do it and sins are forgiven.

    Min. H
    How are they forgiven and when does the constant, willful sinning stop?

    Sage
    HIV awareness is not sinful and gross. It is better to help people understand the risks and maybe then they will decide not to have sex before marriage.

    Min. H
    True! But we don’t give them a false sense of safety in thin sheath of Latex either. It is irresponsible.

    Sage
    On the lines of abortions, I am very mixed about them. I believe that women should have a choice but I also believe that there is almost always another way. I am one for adopting but sometimes a baby isn’t in your plans and it does not fit. Sometimes girls get raped.

    Min. H
    And herein lies the GREATEST CONTRADICTION. You teach these kids safe sex, then give them a pass “IF A BABY ISN’T IN THEIR PLANS”. They usually aren’t, but killing them isn’t either, but murder is always an option.

    RAPE- So we punish the child as well for something a criminal did. Completely illogical that the victim becomes the even greater criminal in destroying her own child.

    See what little value people give to babies. See how people have been able to convince people like you that what you just said makes sense. If you are black, do you know that birth control and abortion were meant to target US?

    Sage
    Some people leave sororites and some people stay for life. The Oath thing, are you saying that a doctor to takes an oath to do all he or she can to help people and save lives…you’re saying thats bad to vow to push your hardest to get some healthy again?

    Min. H
    Doctors perform abortions. No not all oaths are bad, that’s why many oaths have been changed due to religious conviction!!!!!

    Sage
    For the people of Greece who believe in these Gods are they wrong?

    Min. H
    Yes, but not because I say so.

    Sage
    Another thing, I do not understand why Greek Orgs in general are secret. I know that it should be an honor to wear your letters and to finish the process to wear their name but the secret binders, the chants that only they can say.. Yes being in an undergrad chapter is a show but why the rivalry and dissing of other groups.

    M boyfriends mother is an AKA and she is a faithful woman of God. She has been an AKA for about 20 years now. Sometimes I do not see where religion fits in all this but then again, I have yet to pledge.

    Min. H
    Why Secrecy? It has everything to do with what these organizations are, elitist and exclusive. If these orgs are so great, what’s to hide?

    You say faithful woman of God. Which God? If you and your boyfriend are having sex, she shouldn’t be pleased if she’s born again.

  187. 187
    admin 

    Regine,

    I’m very interested in membership into DST. I was denied entry because the undergraduate chapter had a line formed prior to the 2011 rush. My interest extends to the amazing women who are members of this chapter and the principle of DST, change.

    Min. H
    What change? That they are going to start tackling the real issues of the black community?

    Regine
    I understand and have personally come across many X-Delta Sigma Theta members who have various reasons of denouncing DST from their lives. Not everything is for everybody. Even if somebody is chosen over you because of foolish reasons besides being judged on the basic requirements and character. Many women will choose or seek membership into AKA, DST, ZphiB, or SGRho regardless of any members woes.

    Min. H
    Wow! What was that all about?

    Anyway, Christianity is for everybody, but there are consequences for not believing in Christ; Eternal Damnation. There are many in these BGLO’s who will convince others that another God is the way. Will DST do anything to try and stop this reckless evangelism? Nope! They embrace and tolerate other religious beliefs. When churches do it, the same thing happens. Chaos and unbelief!!!!!!!

  188. 188
    DST2002 

    This blog is extremely informative and appears to be a great outlet for those seeking membership into BGLOs, current members, as well as, denounced members.

    Let me be very clear in the fact that everything I will communicate is FACT based. I know first hand about “Greek” life. But before I even go into my reason for this post let me pose a few questions pertaining to BGLOs. 1. Why are these organizations called BLACK Greek Lettered Organizations? I mean that is a contradiction in itself! If anyone can point me in the direction of any BLACK greeks please do. 2. If the TRUE purpose and founding of these organizations is to promote sisterhood/brotherhood, scholarship and service, as well as, a bond within the black community, why are there 4 different sororities and 5 different fraternities? I mean at the end of the day everyone is claiming the driving force of their organization to be surrounded around the same type things so where is the UNITY. The truth is that there was and continues to be DIVISION amongst BGLOs; so UNITY, although it sounds good, is not a priority amongst BGLOs. 3. Why is the level of secrecy so important to members if in fact they seek to be publicly recognized and influential? 4. Why is symbolism so heavily used in these BGLOs but yet people are expected to not take the meaning of the symbols literally? 5. Why is the answer to all individuals seeking membership to RESEARCH? I mean research what? All you will find is the information that each organization wants you to know. You will only be provided with the information that is attractive to the eye and that will spark your interest; this is FACT…the TRUTH about EVERYTHING cannot be found just by researching (reading books, surfing the web, etc). So please do not be deceived, the RESEARCH directive is a deterrent to say the least. 6. If BGLOs were created because blacks were not permitted to join white organizations then HOW and WHY are white people being allowed to join BLACK Greek Letter Organizations today? That defeats one of the purposes of ever starting the organizations right? This is just another lie that is unfolding right before your eyes that members are not willing to recognize.

    I pledged Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. in 2002 at the age of 19. And let me just say, 10 years later I am in a position to remove the speck out of my brothers and sisters eyes because I have finally been able to remove the log out of mine.

    Let me give a quick background on the Delta influence in my life prior to college. Some of the most prominent leaders, educators, politicians and community activist that I saw were Deltas. They were very professional and positive role models. So it seemed inevitable that I would develop a “helping hands” type of platform prior to graduating high school. So when I went off to college my platform did not change. In addition, by my sophomore year, I was an ambassador for my University, well rounded, influential amongst my peers, an academic achiever, etc. So all arrows pointed to DST for me, especially after I RESEARCHED lol And let me reiterate the fact that the literature that you read in a published book or on a website is NOT all the information that you need people. So I decided to pledge DST! And PLEDGE is exactly what I did. I made it through both the underground and overground process and crossed (so please understand that this post is not coming from a place of bitterness at all). I became an active, respected member in the organization. Yes we did a lot of community service activities and RAN the yard; actually to this day the Deltas run the yard at my alma mater. BUT do not be deceived, that means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. There is division amongst the sorority as a whole, as well as, the chapters. So the UNITY for all mankind mess…A LIE! Some chapters do not associate with other chapters LITERALLY! Those who pledge DO NOT recognize those members who are “PAPER”; they will not show them the same respect that they show to another member who pledged. As a matter of fact chapters within the organization know the chapters that pledged and those that do not and they let the new members know too.

    Keep in mind that BGLOs are filled with women and men of different backgrounds, moral principles, different levels of integrity, loyalty, and dignity who are all coming to together for a common cause (which sounds really great) but in all actuality they for the most part have NOTHING in common other than the desire to wear these letters because of what they THINK the organization represents to the public eye. For example, if “I” as an individual believe that fornication is a sin and not acceptable how can I participate in a SAFE SEX RALLY that my “Christian” principle based organization is holding? Just doesn’t make sense. (btw, that is just an random example). My point is that there are members in every organization that don’t stand on the same principles.

    All of the organizations of the Divine 9 have is some shape, form or fashion paid homage, allegiance or recognition to a god, goddess, or symbolism that is not of GOD; point, blank, period; maybe not KNOWINGLY but definitely WILLINGLY. This is FACT. Just look at every shield or crest and you tell me! If you are a current member read your rituals. By the way what makes the DIVINE 9 so divine? These organizations are DECEPTION and TRICKERY as its finest. I mean think about it, I know personally that DST is the largest BGL Sorority in the world. Do you know how many members have taken an oath recognizing Minerva as having significance in the organization? This is crazy! No, no one said Minerva you are the Lord of my life (well at least I didn’t) but every member recognized her as the organizations mentor! EVERY member! And the thought of giving a pagan image any recognition is sick in itself; if you believe in the one, true and living God. I honestly do not believe that young women and men joining these organizations really understand the masonic influence; I know I didn’t. But the TRUTH is the TRUTH. DST openly states of masonic ritual influence and AKA during intact recognizes degrees just as masonry does (my sister is an AKA so I know for a FACT). The sad part about it is that we have been conditioned to be comfortable in living in lies rather than recognizing the truth, accepting it and adjusting accordingly.

    Be mindful that Satan is the author of lies and the master of deception. These BGLOs are just an example of how he is creating mass confusion right amongst the people who claim to be of God. He is laughing at BGLOs and claiming souls every semester; you better believe it! This BGLO system was not put into place with God as the driving force. Let me explain to you that when you are truly living for God a separation takes place, you change and your old ways are passed away. Sin will not enter the kingdom; therefore, you cannot be a sinner and live eternally with the Father. So those watered down teachings of you are going to sin everyday just ask for forgiveness are not the TRUTH. If you are a sinner, repent right now and turn from your wicked ways before it is too late. When you die your physical death it is over; therefore, if you die in sin you will not inherit the kingdom of God. DO NOT BE DECEIVED, this is the truth! Confess, repent and do not go back under these curses camouflaged as community service organizations. So even though these organizations seem appealing and seem to match your platform in life THEY ARE NOT OF GOD. Seek ye first the kingdom of God, not the kingdom of BGLOs; therefore, if there is anything in these organizations that does not align with the word of God and you are a God-fearing member you are in error. If you are not a member do not join. I am not telling you not to join because of the great things you see the organizations doing on the outside, I am telling you not to join because of the satanic foundations, rituals, symbolism and sinful ways that are tolerated within. I am not basing this on opinion I am basing this on FACT!

    I know that many people are going to say, I do not worship my sorority, or I do not worship Minerva; ok neither did I in my eyes. I mean to be honest I don’t think that anyone in their right mind would join an organization that blatantly says hey everybody we believe that greek and roman gods and goddesses have some significance and we create some of our rituals based on satanic masonic rituals and oh we lie a lot about the truth and some of us haze and oh if you don’t pledge some of your sisters or brothers won’t really accept you but hey don’t worry about it we promote scholarship and service. But I promise I was in defense mode and blind when I would say that. In my mind God is God there is no other god; true, but I actually spoke out of my mouth acknowledgement to Minerva being the goddess of wisdom and the mentor of DST (life and death is the power of your own tongue), even though the belief in her was taken on by a culture that is cursed according to the bible and who actually robbed, stole and killed to thrive. I sang chants and participated in rituals that to be honest I thought were a little weird but they said they believed in God so I just didn’t think that such a great organization could be the tool of the devil; and I honestly don’t feel that current members think that either. But what I can guarantee you is that if members sit down and thoroughly read their rituals and review the oath or pledges they took and attempt to line it up with the word of God each and everyone will fail.

    So it has been 10 years and I have decided to renounce and denounce my membership with Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. I have privately repented; however, I am now publicly acknowledging the wrong I did in joining DST and acknowledging another god as the mentor of the organization and being apart of rituals that were influenced by masonry and I am coming from under the darkness of BGLOs. Glory to Yah for saving me from myself. I pray that this post will save many from making the same mistake I made and encourage those in the bondage of BGLOs to come out.

    In closing I am an entrepreneur, active in my community, an advocate of education, and blessed without any affiliation with a BGLO so it is not mandatory to live a life promoting positive service, sisterhood and scholarship.

  189. 189
    queen mjay 

    Wondering about Grad Chapter experiences. Do you believe they are the same as undergrad when it comes to hazing and the whole intake process? Or do you think that undergrad is different due to the fact the college students are somewhat less mature. Once you are going through the process, what happens if you find yourself not liking what you see and want out. Are you refunded the fees or is it chalked up to a loss. I am a VERY Strong Minded woman already and have no time for childish games But I have always been interested in joining a sorority that fits me!

  190. 190
    Sage 

    MInister?
    That’s not the point, yet it is. People in Greek Life claim the higher moral ground and even Christian Principles. And by the way, there are virgins in college who remain that way until they get married. But with people like you all promoting safe sex, they pass these ideals right on to their virgin friends and their own children.

    My reply..
    but thats what you are doing right now. You are putting yourself above everyone, picking apart what everyone is saying to defend yourself but when we fire your ass back, we are wrong? I wonder what you were like before you were spitting all this stuff to people online. For you to sit here and just people, I reckon that to be wrong. These organizations were founded to better people and to bring power to a race that was being pummeled and broken down. But over time maybe, they turned into being elite and dangerous to pledges lives or whatever you wanna say but they do not ever not give back.

    Min. H
    And herein lies the GREATEST CONTRADICTION. You teach these kids safe sex, then give them a pass “IF A BABY ISN’T IN THEIR PLANS”. They usually aren’t, but killing them isn’t either, but murder is always an option.

    Accidents happen. That is all I must say. NO one goes out to get pregnant on purpose and get rid of it on purpose.

    And you keep saying I believe in many gods. No I dont. I acknowledge what other people believe because we are all related. Stop judging people, stop trying to be the king of all kings and all things holy. I’m not a part of this organization but you just keep judging and its disgusting. I never said that I do not understand your views, but you do not seem to even try to understand anyone else’s views. so…

  191. 191
    knowledge 

    I just have a couple of things to say about this subject. 1) The rate of unmarried Deltas are going to be high because most of the members are in college.2) Other people are laughing at us as a race because we are bringing each other down. I pledge and pledge for real. After thinking about all the injuries that goes alone with hazing I decied to stop because I asked my self one question. Who pledge our founders? Oh I’m paper also because if you dont have the paper you are not real. For X-Delta and Min.H why not work with the Deltas and try and change or implement the programs you talk about.

  192. 192
    admin 

    Queen

    Wondering about Grad Chapter experiences. Do you believe they are the same as undergrad when it comes to hazing and the whole intake process? Or do you think that undergrad is different due to the fact the college students are somewhat less mature.

    Min. H
    Often being more knowledgeable can be more dangerous, and remember that most grad chapters are former undergrads.

    Queen
    Once you are going through the process, what happens if you find yourself not liking what you see and want out. Are you refunded the fees or is it chalked up to a loss. I am a VERY Strong Minded woman already and have no time for childish games But I have always been interested in joining a sorority that fits me!

    Min. H
    The Kingdom of God is the best thing to join. It’s Founder is the only that I know Who made promises He can keep. Once you pay your money, I do not believe there is any way to get it back. And it’s a lot of money.

  193. Sage said
    MInister?
    That’s not the point, yet it is. People in Greek Life claim the higher moral ground and even Christian Principles. And by the way, there are virgins in college who remain that way until they get married. But with people like you all promoting safe sex, they pass these ideals right on to their virgin friends and their own children.

    Sage said
    My reply..
    but thats what you are doing right now. You are putting yourself above everyone, picking apart what everyone is saying to defend yourself but when we fire your ass back, we are wrong? I wonder what you were like before you were spitting all this stuff to people online. For you to sit here and just(judge) people, I reckon that to be wrong. These organizations were founded to better people and to bring power to a race that was being pummeled and broken down. But over time maybe, they turned into being elite and dangerous to pledges lives or whatever you wanna say but they do not ever not give back.

    ****Min. H
    I was a terrible sinner before, I have changed because of Jesus. And these organizations have been brutalizing people as early 1914, which the earliest record of brutal hazing among BGLO’s. So they became this elitist monster you described while all of the founders were still alive and before some of the organizations were founded. I passed on Abstinence Only with a warning to sinners to get saved and that a condom does not stop the sin of fornication to my kids, and anyone I come in contact with.

    ***So I point out the dangers with the reality of the consequences, while BGLO’s point out dangers, while promoting the act itself. Now who is trying to better people? Your confidence in GLO’s is misguided.

    Sage said,
    Min. H
    And herein lies the GREATEST CONTRADICTION. You teach these kids safe sex, then give them a pass “IF A BABY ISN’T IN THEIR PLANS”. They usually aren’t, but killing them isn’t either, but murder is always an option.

    Accidents happen. That is all I must say. NO one goes out to get pregnant on purpose and get rid of it on purpose.

    Min. H said,
    ****Sorry, but this is bad logic. People have sex, ON PURPOSE, but then call pregnancy an accident. If you are trying to prevent something from happening, then you know full well the potential of what can happen. THEN, when you get pregnant “by accident”, you claim that people don’t have abortions on purpose. Hold on, an abortion, as evil as it, is a well thought out and planned event. Why is it so PLANNED? Because of the very EVIL of it. How to give $50 to a homeless person doesn’t take much thought, but how to rob someone does.

    AND I NOTICED HOW YOU SAID GET RID OF “IT”.

    Sage said,
    And you keep saying I believe in many gods. No I dont. I acknowledge what other people believe because we are all related. Stop judging people, stop trying to be the king of all kings and all things holy. I’m not a part of this organization but you just keep judging and its disgusting. I never said that I do not understand your views, but you do not seem to even try to understand anyone else’s views. so…

    Min. H said,
    But I noticed you didn’t claim to be a Believer in Jesus Christ either, but your initial post states that you believe in God. I did not say that you believed in many gods. But the question is, which God do you believe in?

  194. knowledge
    I just have a couple of things to say about this subject. 1) The rate of unmarried Deltas are going to be high because most of the members are in college.

    Min. H
    This is where you should do more research. The ratio of grads to undergrads is around 3:1. There are about 200,000 Deltas. Of the 150,000 grad members, about 78,000 are married.

    Knowledge
    2) Other people are laughing at us as a race because we are bringing each other down. I pledge and pledge for real. After thinking about all the injuries that goes alone with hazing I decided to stop because I asked my self one question. Who pledged our founders? Oh I’m paper also because if you dont have the paper you are not real. For X-Delta and Min.H why not work with the Deltas and try and change or implement the programs you talk about.

    Min. H
    So you stopped hazing because, “I asked my self one question. Who pledged our founders?”

    And this is the reason? A question that you cannot even answer. This is why hazing still occurs in GLO’s and specifically BGLO’s in terms of its brutality. This is also why it will never stop. Members to not see the real reason why it should stop, but you actually judged your own self and your people in your first sentence.

    I am trying to help people period. And by the way, our organizations are not trying to here us, but you are still a brother in the frat. I am asking you to present to your chapter that Omega Psi Phi goes to open membership. Then present this to a Delta so she can take it to her chapter.

    Three Greeks challenged me that they would have godly programs, and promised to contact me. I haven’t heard from any of them in 7-10 years. Why do yo think that is?

    By the way, I did try to help. But as I knew, after five years of membership that it wasn’t going to happen.

    IF YOU WANT TO ELIMINATE HAZING, ELITISM, PARTYING, ETC., WHILE MAINTAINING GOOD WORKS, PHILANTHROPY, ETC. THE ORGANIZATION CAN DO IT IN ONE FELL SWOOP.

    Do you have the faith, endurance, and courage to see it through? Can you keep your head when all about you are GOING to lose theirs and blame it on you. ALL OF THAT STUFF YOU ALL LEARNED PLEDGING HARDLY EVER TRANSLATES TO REALITY. Well I just gave you 5 things you learned that can be put into practice for good.

    And to add, Open Membership means there will be no need for a ritual, no oath is necessary, just a person’s money for the membership fee and a desire to to good.

    Now if you want this new Omega to be a godly organization, then it will have to take on the immoral evils of this world. IF NOT, IT WILL JUST END UP BEING ANOTHER NAACP. It will also need to change its name, not much, but to its original name, then add Ministries, Inc. This means that all those practicing sin will have to leave, and all of those who are unbelievers will have to become believers or leave. The current leadership would have to change all of its paraphernalia, change its logos, and enter this new a great change in its history books.

    So go out the Knowledge and be a Bridge Builder, so that those coming after you will not have to endure the horrors of the shade.

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    Knowledge 

    Honestly my chapter does a lot of Christian activities. We do bible study, gospel feasts, feed families. And yes we stop the underground process in our chapter. All BGLO are taking hazing seriously by kicking members out for hazing. Things are changing in Greeks life my friend.

  196. 196
    admin 

    Knowledge
    Honestly my chapter does a lot of Christian activities. We do bible study, gospel feasts, feed families.

    Min. H
    These have nothing to do with confronting the immoral evils of society, specifically of the black community, which BGLO’s claim to be a pillar and servant of. Muslims have their Bible Studies, Buddhists do their meditations, so would your chapter allow a Muslim member to have a study on the Quran?

    1.) So if you do a Bible Study, and I believe you belong to PBS, how would you justify that an idol goddess is your fraternity’s protector?

    2.) How do you reconcile that your fraternity says that scholarship makes one a beacon light among men pointing out the Truth, the Light, and the Way?

    3.) And lastly, your fraternity calls Sigma a spiritual fellowship, but has no religious designation. So is it Christian, Islamic, Hindu, Mormon, etc.?

    Knowledge
    And yes we stop the underground process in our chapter. All BGLO are taking hazing seriously by kicking members out for hazing. Things are changing in Greeks life my friend.

    Min. H
    If I were Sigma, I’d be serious as well, but the question is why did you stop it? Why now and not 50, 40, 30 years earlier?

    Are things really changing, is the ritual changing, or are these just attempts at creating a positive public image?

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    Knowledge 

    You are acting like Greeks are the only ones having parties. Do you go out and protest clubs, bars, strip clubs, liquor stores etc… Probably not. I believe the Bible says something about moderation and that includes drinking. These habits are picked up way before students come to college. It starts at home. When reading and learning the Bible there are different ways to study it. First is the literal interpretation would help us see Jesus death and resurrection as actual events in history and not as the triumph of courage and commitment over selfishness and vindictiveness. Second principle of interpretation is to discover the setting of a passage. The setting will include the purpose of the writer and the place and occasion for the writing Third principle of interpretation is to accept the limits of God’s revelation. Fourth principle of understanding is to distinguish interpretation from application. Fifth guideline for interpreting scripture is to interpret the difficult passage with the help of a clearer passage. As a minister you are trying to be a light to the community or your flock correct?

  198. 198
    admin 

    Knowledge
    You are acting like Greeks are the only ones having parties. Do you go out and protest clubs, bars, strip clubs, liquor stores etc… Probably not.

    Min. H
    Actually wrong, and you can include abortion clinics. But will my doing of these things convince you that GLO’s are ungodly cults? Probably not!

    Knowledge
    I believe the Bible says something about moderation and that includes drinking.

    Min. H
    You would be wrong. But see, you are willing to believe a cliche made up by someone, but have no regard for what I say about Greeks. It’s like the three wise men assumption. Now you go into the five steps of studying the Bible, yet you say you believe your statement on moderation comes from the Bible. Did you apply these five steps?

    Look at the word itself. Does it apply in the same way to all people when it comes to drinking?

    Knowledge
    These habits are picked up way before students come to college. It starts at home.

    Min. H
    And GLO’s do everything to encourage that behavior.

    Knowledge
    When reading and learning the Bible there are different ways to study it. First is the literal interpretation would help us see Jesus death and resurrection as actual events in history and not as the triumph of courage and commitment over selfishness and vindictiveness. Second principle of interpretation is to discover the setting of a passage. The setting will include the purpose of the writer and the place and occasion for the writing Third principle of interpretation is to accept the limits of God’s revelation. Fourth principle of understanding is to distinguish interpretation from application. Fifth guideline for interpreting scripture is to interpret the difficult passage with the help of a clearer passage. As a minister you are trying to be a light to the community or your flock correct?

    Min. H
    So your point is what? I am not the overseer of any specific church. You answered nothing I asked. Are you a born again Christian?

    Another thing, those five things are not different ways to study, for they are all complementary to one another.

    Questions I would appreciate you answering,
    1.) Are you a born again Christian?

    2.) Are you a member of Phi Beta Sigma?

    3.) If so, how do you reconcile that your fraternity says that scholarship makes one a beacon light among men pointing out the Truth, the Light, and the Way?

    4.) And lastly, your fraternity calls Sigma a spiritual fellowship, but has no religious designation. So is it Christian, Islamic, Hindu, Mormon, etc.?

  199. 199
    Knowledge 

    1.Yes I’m a Christian
    2. Yes I’m a Sigma
    3. Being a beacon of light to others should be every man responsibility. Be a light to others refers to showing boys how to be men. How many homes don’t have a father? Is that because of BLGO’s no. You talk about unsafe sex. Talk about making boys into real men. Its more to life than stealing, killing, leaving women to raise men. Its about responsibility. And some boys don’t know that. So yes I am a beacon of light to the youth. I have a lot of kids from my community that have look to me for leadership and guidance because fathers are not in the home. It start there and know where else.
    4. I believe the Bible teaches us to love our brothers and sisters in Christ. Christian, Islamic, Hindu, Mormon etc.. Believe there is a great power. The Bible calls God by many of names.

  200. 200
    admin 

    knowledge
    1.Yes I’m a Christian

    Min. H
    I will take you at your word.

    knowledge
    2. Yes I’m a Sigma

    Min. H
    Thank-You!

    Knowledge
    3. Being a beacon of light to others should be every man responsibility. Be a light to others refers to showing boys how to be men.

    Min. H
    That is not what you ritual says. But I will take you at your word again. A gang leader believes he is bringing light to young boys. So how is your light any different than his? And you ignored the main part of that whole passage, “The Truth, The Light, and The Way”

    Knowledge
    How many homes don’t have a father? Is that because of BLGO’s no. You talk about unsafe sex. Talk about making boys into real men. Its more to life than stealing, killing, leaving women to raise men. Its about responsibility.

    Min. H
    From my experience in talking to Greeks, the majority of them believe in pro-choice. Complete irresponsible behavior

    And some boys don’t know that. So yes I am a beacon of light to the youth. I have a lot of kids from my community that have look to me for leadership and guidance because fathers are not in the home. It start there and know where else.
    4. I believe the Bible teaches us to love our brothers and sisters in Christ. Christian, Islamic, Hindu, Mormon etc.. Believe there is a great power. The Bible calls God by many of names.

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    WOW 

    I am a Delta that refused to be hazed. I am a Christian with Christian principles that I refuse to put aside. Know who you are, more importantly, who God wants you to be. All of the continued accusations and judgements are not Christ-like. Sorority life is not anti-christianity.

    If we have truly studied, read, and understood the bible we know that you do not win people to Christ through your words but your actions.

    Being a practicing Christian for 35 years, and a Delta for nearly 15 years, I can say that the organization stands for just what it says. If you violate the beliefs of DST and it is known, you are punished, just as if you belong to a church and fornicate, commit adultery, and so on you are punished.

    The beliefs of an organization (including Church) is only as good as it’s members. Does Delta have members that do not uphold it’s beliefs YES! Does the Church have members (even pastors) that do not uphold the Commandments of My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? YES!!!!

    I pray that our young people continue to seek for themselves, and that we has their mentors, guide them to always stand for what they believe.

    Just for the record, I am not viewed as PAPER or a SKATER instead I am viewed as a Strong Black Woman that stood on her Christian foundation, believed in what the Sorority says that stand for, and when I refused to subject myself to “hazing” I was supported by the organization. I made a positive change through standing up for what I believe in, not by going through with something that I did not, and then blaming others. Delta does not define me, just as my degrees, job, or any other organization. I am defined by my actions through guidance and understanding from the Holy Spirit. That guidance helped me to not necessary change and uncover all wrong doers in the organization that do wrong, but it allowed me to be the positive change that we all speak about. That also impacted one Chapter that no longer hazes, but yes they/we do PLEDGE, and there is a difference.

    side note: none of the Official rituals of Delta Sigma Theta worship or put anything before God.

  202. 202
    admin 

    WOW
    I am a Delta that refused to be hazed. I am a Christian with Christian principles that I refuse to put aside. Know who you are, more importantly, who God wants you to be. All of the continued accusations and judgements are not Christ-like. Sorority life is not anti-christianity.

    If we have truly studied, read, and understood the bible we know that you do not win people to Christ through your words but your actions.

    Min. H
    Faith Comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. There are many unbelievers who do not drink, smoke, curse, fornicate, steal, etc. Does that make them Christians?

    WOW
    Being a practicing Christian for 35 years, and a Delta for nearly 15 years, I can say that the organization stands for just what it says. If you violate the beliefs of DST and it is known, you are punished, just as if you belong to a church and fornicate, commit adultery, and so on you are punished.

    Min. H
    But in DST you can do all the things you just mentioned. So DST, in its rituals, violate scripture, who is being punished for that. DST ALLOWS SIN and SINNERS into the organization. It is seen in their literature and through their actions. You act as if hazing is the only evil thing they do.

    By the way, why does the sorority oppose hazing?

    WOW
    The beliefs of an organization (including Church) is only as good as it’s members.

    Min. H
    This is where you fail to understand that the church is different, very different from other organizations. The beliefs of the church stem from the Word of God and its Founder, Jesus Christ. Dare you say that our actions change those things.

    WOW
    Does Delta have members that do not uphold it’s beliefs YES! Does the Church have members (even pastors) that do not uphold the Commandments of My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ? YES!!!!

    I pray that our young people continue to seek for themselves, and that we as their mentors, guide them to always stand for what they believe.

    Min. H
    “I pray that our young people continue to seek for themselves, and that we as their mentors, guide them to always stand for what they believe.” WOW

    But your own SORORITY RITUAL CLAIMS THAT MINERVA IS THE SORORITY’S MENTOR. So if a young person is a Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, etc. we should guide them to stand for what they believe, right? This is textbook DST Doctrine.

    DST is a pluralist organization. You can believe whatever you choose, promote that belief, and even enlist the help of the sorority.

    WOW
    Just for the record, I am not viewed as PAPER or a SKATER instead I am viewed as a Strong Black Woman that stood on her Christian foundation, believed in what the Sorority says that stand for, and when I refused to subject myself to “hazing” I was supported by the organization. I made a positive change through standing up for what I believe in, not by going through with something that I did not, and then blaming others. Delta does not define me, just as my degrees, job, or any other organization. I am defined by my actions through guidance and understanding from the Holy Spirit. That guidance helped me to not necessary change and uncover all wrong doers in the organization that do wrong, but it allowed me to be the positive change that we all speak about. That also impacted one Chapter that no longer hazes, but yes they/we do PLEDGE, and there is a difference.

    side note: none of the Official rituals of Delta Sigma Theta worship or put anything before God.

    Min. H
    My book, this blog, and your rituals say different than you. A false god is your sorority’s mentor, and claims her as the embodiment of wisdom or wisdom incarnate.

    “A woman who becomes a Pyramid is under the shadow of Minerva, and in no way would we offend one who is under her GRACE.”

    “Therefore, be at peace with God, WHATEVER you CONCEIVE Him to be.”

    “EARTH
    AIR
    FIRE
    WATER

    The are the permanent conditions in which all human being live and move and have their being. This has been so since time began and will be forever.” All Quotes from your Grand Chapter documents.

    Acts 17:28- for In him we live and move and have our being; as even some of your own poets have said, For we are indeed his offspring.

    It is most unfortunate that this earth, air, fire, and water teaching is textbook witchcraft. It’s called the Witch’s Pyramid.

    And how do you justify your sorority’s bludgeoning of I Corinthians 13? Has your 35 years of being a Christian removed that from your chapter?

    Your OATH claims that INDIVIDUAL DELTAS ARE TO, “ALWAYS PROTEST AGAINST THE DOUBLE STANDARD OF MORALS” AND “USING MY INFLUENCE TOWARD THE ENACTMENT OF LAWS FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE UNFORTUNATE AND WEAK AND FOR THE REPEAL OF THOSE DEPRIVING HUMAN BEINGS OF THEIR PRIVILEGES AND RIGHT.”

    In those two separate quotes, each and every member is in utter and abject failure.

    DST HAS DONE NOTHING TO HELP THE UNBORN. IF THIS OATH MEANT ANYTHING, EVERY DST WOULD DEMAND THE IMMEDIATE REPEAL OF ROE v. WADE

    Tough Love,
    Min. H 919/278-8911

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    anonymous 

    As a member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc, I want to personally apologize for your experience with our organization. I didn’t comment on this to refute your experience only to shed light on life! Unfortunately, this occurs in all greek organizations: black and white. This does not, however, occur in all chapters of DST which should be noted. I was not hazed during my pledge period. I did not take an oath to another God as some people seem to think we do. If you were being hazed, you should have reported that to the campus sponsor. You should have spoken up. Pledging can be mentally exhausting because you have to speak up when you don’t feel you have a right to speak up. You shouldn’t have been subjected to hazing or abuse of any kind but you had a right and obligation to stop it. If you felt this would make it so that you would not become a member that would have answered your question and you could have stepped out of the process. You could have stayed in and be a voice of change and agent of reform so that the next generation could have experienced the sisterhood that your sought out. Everyone has something that they bring to the organization, your time may have been to speak up and reduce if not eliminate hazing from our history. I appreciate your blog and you have inspired me to get involved more with the pledging process so that this does not become a part of our legacy. Thank you.

  204. 204
    admin 

    “As a member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc, I want to personally apologize for your experience with our organization. I didn’t comment on this to refute your experience only to shed light on life!”

    Min. H
    Are you born again?

    “Unfortunately, this occurs in all greek organizations: black and white. This does not, however, occur in all chapters of DST which should be noted. I was not hazed during my pledge period. I did not take an oath to another God as some people seem to think we do. If you were being hazed, you should have reported that to the campus sponsor. You should have spoken up. Pledging can be mentally exhausting because you have to speak up when you don’t feel you have a right to speak up. You shouldn’t have been subjected to hazing or abuse of any kind but you had a right and obligation to stop it. If you felt this would make it so that you would not become a member that would have answered your question and you could have stepped out of the process. You could have stayed in and be a voice of change and agent of reform so that the next generation could have experienced the sisterhood that your sought out. Everyone has something that they bring to the organization, your time may have been to speak up and reduce if not eliminate hazing from our history. I appreciate your blog and you have inspired me to get involved more with the pledging process so that this does not become a part of our legacy. Thank you.”

    Min. H
    If you have read the posts by those that oppose Greek Life based on a biblical worldview, you would understand that we are not trying to help you be more involved, but to ELIMINATE PLEDGING.

    I do not remember anyone saying that you swore an oath to another god. I do know that DST “plays the hypocrite” when it comes to its oath. They make strong claims about speaking up for the weak and helpless, but what have they done to try and stop murder by abortion?

    I noticed that you said you were not hazed, but evidently you pledged. believe it or not, they are synonymous. And if you truly want to be an agent of change, be prepared for the onslaught. You will truly see if you are prepared.

    And remember one thing about the pledge process. DST has given lip service to ending the pledge process for decades and did not and have not succeeded. There is a solution and I have it and have had it for a long time. It’s called OPEN MEMBERSHIP JUST LIKE THE NAACP.

    Jesus is Lord and God!!!!

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    DaTruth 

    It is very sad to read these blogs because it is evident that you (admin) really have no idea what you are talking about. I am a member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. and I do not worship anyone but my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. As for hazing, we are a non-hazing organization and if it does occur, it is not a part of the official process and those discovered will be handled. As for you, I read in the Bible that he without sin should cast the first stone.
    You are not my soror so there is no need for me to go into detail, but my organization is strongly rooted in Christianity. You are a man so I know you have never been a member of my organization and have no idea what you are talking about, so I forgive you.
    As a minister you are supposed to help people be better, not by belittling them, but lifting them up. If you chose to denounce a greek organization, that is your perogative but please don’t speak about what you have no idea about.

  206. 206
    11 year Delta 

    I pray for all of you on this site. I just celebrated my 11th anniversary as a Delta today in fact and I did it with 2 of 33 of us. I was bitter at everything but then I got down to the purpose of Delta: community service. I encourage you all to have your opinions but don’t let it or anyone consume. Strive to be who God called you to be and move on. Forgiveness is the key to a better tomorrow. It is hard I know but i pray everyone on here finds peace, happiness and much success. This has been an interesting read to see people’s opinions about my sorority: even people who i would have called my sorors. Good luck to you all: God bless and have a wonderful week, month, year and life!

    Did your sorority leaders forgive Rae Lewis Thornton? Are they going to allow her to still be an honorary soror? I wonder how many Christian Deltas will stand on her side.

  207. 207
    11 year Delta 

    Sorry I was not bitter today just sad every year when this time comes around because everyone has different feelings about the sorority we joined together.

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    admin 

    DT
    It is very sad to read these blogs because it is evident that you (admin) really have no idea what you are talking about. I am a member of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc. and I do not worship anyone but my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

    Min. H
    Your sorority worships Minerva and is engaging in idolatry. We are to make no mention of other gods. A DETAILED MEANING OF THE WORD MENTION TO COME, but as for what it means in Exodus 23:13, to bring to remembrance. DELTA SIGMA THETA does far more than that with Minerva.

    DT
    As for hazing, we are a non-hazing organization and if it does occur, it is not a part of the official process and those discovered will be handled.

    Min. H
    It was never a part of the official process right? But the way you put it, it evidently was. So why did they end the process of hazing and never officially existed in the first place. This doesn’t mean you did not pledge.

    DT
    As for you, I read in the Bible that he without sin should cast the first stone. You are not my soror so there is no need for me to go into detail, but my organization is strongly rooted in Christianity.

    Min. H
    You make the statement that’s easy, but you offered no examples that’s easy to. The hard part is finding the few shreds of evidence that mention scripture. Organizations STRONGLY ROOTED IN CHRISTIANITY do not do to I CORINTHIANS 13 WHAT YOUR SORORITY DID.

    IT’S CALLED THE DELTA MEDITATION AND IS AN OFFICIAL PART OF THE SORORITY.

    DT
    You are a man so I know you have never been a member of my organization and have no idea what you are talking about, so I forgive you. As a minister you are supposed to help people be better, not by belittling them, but lifting them up. If you chose to denounce a greek organization, that is your prerogative but please don’t speak about what you have no idea about.

    Min. H
    No other Ex-DST has ever refuted what I have written here, and I always welcome the criticism. I want this blog to contain factual information, none of which you have actually refuted. Now I want ALL who read this post to understand that this dialogue of us outsiders knowing nothing is merely an undying loyalty to their organization to keep their secrets secret. So they choose to lie rather than simply ignore what they know to be true.

    Your sorority says to, {believe in God, whatever you CONCEIVE HIM TO BE.}

    That statement is not strongly rooted in Christianity, but rather Religious Pluralism. I can conceive God to be Allah, Buddha, Nature, etc.

    I ask that you post facts if and when able. Statements lacking proof are merely personal opinions that carry no weight here.

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    admin 

    11 Year
    I pray for all of you on this site. I just celebrated my 11th anniversary as a Delta today in fact and I did it with 2 of 33 of us. I was bitter at everything but then I got down to the purpose of Delta: community service. I encourage you all to have your opinions but don’t let it or anyone consume. Strive to be who God called you to be and move on.

    Min. H
    BUt the question then arises, DID GOD CALL US TO THINGS TO OR THAT DISHONOR HIM?

    11 YEAR
    Forgiveness is the key to a better tomorrow. It is hard I know but i pray everyone on here finds peace, happiness and much success. This has been an interesting read to see people’s opinions about my sorority: even people who i would have called my sorors. Good luck to you all: God bless and have a wonderful week, month, year and life!

    Min. H
    Question; are you assuming their is some forgiveness needed to be given on the part of ex-members? By you only celebrating your anniversary with 2 others, I would surely hope it is due to geography.
    919/278-8911- anytime you would like to talk.

    And there is more to DST than community service…….. Read the most sacred trust and most sacred vow.

    Did your sorority leaders forgive Rae Lewis Thornton? Are they going to allow her to still be an honorary soror? I wonder how many Christian Deltas will stand on her side.

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    Cat 

    Can you provide a copy of the list of rituals required of members of DST? I am considering membership, but I have become concerned with the potential conflict with my belief in Jesus Christ. Particularly, the mentions of Minerva reverence, candle lighting, and kneeling/chanting are disturbing. I actually am vary wary of Catholicism for what I feel is an unhealthy obsession with Mary as well as the candles/incense/rosary/altar offerings that seem to indicate idolatry. I would like to read over these things prior to ending up in a room where I am expected to partake in a psuedo-seance and possibly place my soul in jeopardy of damnation for blasphemy.

    **Side note** I read this blog in it’s entirety. After carefully considering both sides of the argument, my faith leads me more away from the organization. However, I do believe that your tone and some condescending remarks have taken away from the factual information presented. I would urge you to consider that everyone is at a different place in their relationship with God (from unbelief to deeply committed followers of Christ); thus, the message does not have to be changed (there is but one God and His law is absolute) – but the method of deliverance must sometimes be altered to encourage receptiveness and build understanding. For example, Jesus sometimes strongly admonished and even called people out for being hypocrites when it was contrary to the word of God; however, he tempered these sharp rebukes with frequent teachings of love, forgiveness, understanding, and patience. Of course you cannot tailor every post to fit every need, but I just ask you to prayerfully consider your replies and ensure that you don’t allow those who are not acting in a Christ-like manner cause you to react in ways that are inconsistent with the message God has for you to convey or that place your personal feelings above the matter at hand, which is attempting to save people from a potential trap of satan.

    I pray that you recognize my respectful tone and sincere hope that this message is carried out in a Godly manner even as I seek more information of you to clarify my own mind. I will await your response and will use the documents to study my Bible and pray for discernment in this matter.

    Thank you.

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    Sexy Red 

    WOW this information is really good I had to stop and pop me some pop corn!!!………..all I can say is when I hear those trumpets im gone…yall can stay with Minvera i’m going with the LORD……..I’m going up yuuuunnnndddaaa!!!

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    Sabrinna 

    We are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God…even you admin. You wanna quote scripture, I can go round and round with you but it does not stop the misinformation you are spreading. Members of DST serve one God and one God alone. We do not serve Minerva or Athena. Your poor mind has been twisted by your own theology.
    You did not want to be a Delta – so be it, but what you are doing on this blog is against the biblical principles you speak of.
    Hypocrisy at its finest and Yes I am a Delta and have been since I was 19.
    I serve one God and only one God as do the majority of my Sorors. We ALL know that the only way to the Father is through Jesus. It is too bad that you didn’t know this information about us.

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    EDUCATEDMAMI 

    I know plenty of DST pledges that have been injured and hospitalized from hazing. My aunt is a high ranking DST and even though they try to keep incidents of hazing out of the limelight, this NON HAZING organization has more incidents of hazing than any other BGLO out there…If they say that they are non hazing, why does hazing still go on? Obviously, something is not right. But to be totally honest, I have seen their qualities for membership decline over the past 10 years. It seems as if whoever has the money can get in. I know plenty of non college graduates who have pledged in alumnae chapter recently.

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    admin 

    Sabrinna
    “We are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God…even you admin.

    Min. H
    So true, but true believers don’t remain in filth.

    Sabrinna
    “You wanna quote scripture, I can go round and round with you but it does not stop the misinformation you are spreading.

    Min. H
    Not one single mention of what misinformation I am putting out there.

    Sabrinna
    Members of DST serve one God and one God alone. We do not serve Minerva or Athena. Your poor mind has been twisted by your own theology.

    Min. H
    The quotes from your own documents say much different. You cannot and SORORITY LEADERS WILL NOT separate Minerva from your organization. The one God you claim you all serve is a “figmentation of the DST’s imagination”. If that statement is really true, I DARE YOU AND THE ORGANIZATION TO DENOUNCE MINERVA AND REPLACE HER WITH CHRIST. But my belief is that her daddy, ZEUS will beat out Christ.

    Sabrinna
    You did not want to be a Delta – so be it, but what you are doing on this blog is against the biblical principles you speak of.

    Min. H
    The person you speak of WAS A DELTA. Admin/me is an X-Omega.

    Sabrinna
    Hypocrisy at its finest and Yes I am a Delta and have been since I was 19. I serve one God and only one God as do the majority of my Sorors. We ALL know that the only way to the Father is through Jesus. It is too bad that you didn’t know this information about us.”

    Min. H
    THERE IS NOT ONE SINGLE STATEMENT OF SUCH A BELIEF IN ANY OF YOUR DOCUMENTS. NOT 1………

    So what happens to your sorors that do not believe this?

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    Get over it Already!!! 

    So if you have denounced DST and don’t want to be associated with what they “represent” stop talking about it already. Start another blog about the Gospel. This blog is so negative! It sounds like you’re still carrying around some baggage.

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    admin 

    Min. H
    There is plenty of Gospel in there, but you have to know it to see it. And as usual, in an effort to criticize someone, you as many others end up doing the same thing you accuse another of, hence your statement,

    “It sounds like you’re still carrying around some baggage.”

    That doesn’t sound positive. Rather it is a typical reaction from a Greek or wannabe who doesn’t want their information exposed even when it’s for the good of believers and those believers who are interested.

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    Truth Be Told 

    Thank you for exposing the principalities and spiritual wickedness in these “Fag-ternities” and “sorry-orities”. I questioned their so-called ‘community help’ and the secret rituals that are required for entrance. I don’t understand why you would have to sign a waiver stating you will not allow yourself to be hazed if the so-called organization is a non-hazing one. This shows there is no control over who hazes and clearly a lack of unity and obedience to their own laws. There is an arrogance that is evident amongst the members and it’s sad because they are people who need to be validated hence their willingness to be humiliated and degraded. The end result being to wear some letters and claim membership in a cult?!?! As for those who are claiming Christianity and are devoted to these so-called organizations (including Masons), do your homework, dig deeper into the word of God and ask Him for the spirit of discernment. These are cults and they are NOT OF GOD!!!! God is no secret and EVERYTHING we need He put it in a book for ALL to freely receive. Anything hidden will eventually be exposed and God has given that charge to these ladies to do so. Your responses to the posts remind me of Jesus being led into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil after fasting. You’re standing on God’s word not wavering and I love it!!! He blessed you to wake up and free yourself; I pray that your exposing these cults will encourage others to get out and be free also. Great job ladies and may God continue to cover, keep and strengthen you by His blood. Thank you for your obedience to His call for you. Stay Blessed!

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    JERiCHO 

    There is good and bad in all temporal organizations and churches. Let us all, Greek and non-Greek, seek the one true and only God in our own hearts and live out the life Christ has set the example for us to live. There are those who will be consciously fine with joining Greek organizations, and there are those who will be whole-heartedly oppose to it. Throwing stones either way is hard to comprehend when both sides claim connection to Christ. Playing devil’s advocate: how many non-Greek Christian’s still believe in “Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” and salute the flag or pledge? There is an infinite regress when one condemns Greek Letter organizations for doing what all governments and people there within do. Now back to the side of angels: Christ gives us the perfect example of living in government ran societies and living for Christ…regardless of if you are Greek or non-Greek…you will…like Christ be persecuted. Greek Christians need know that they will have stones thrown at them for being Greek. Non Greek Christians need to know that they will be called hypocrites if and when they throw these stones. Stop. Think. and LISTEN. to the word of God. At the end of the day: LOVE ONE ANOTHER REGARDLESS and pray for your enemies. Stop fighting. We all are God’s Children. (NOTE) Poke holes in my argument if you so choose…I’m confident that my words taken in whole make sense to most readers…have fun throwing stones!

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    admin 

    Jericho said,
    “(NOTE) Poke holes in my argument if you so choose…I’m confident that my words taken in whole make sense to most readers…have fun throwing stones!”

    Min. H
    If you have to begin or end your statement with this kind of statement, it shows the weakness of it, or your belief in it.

    While my posting of your statement shows that I have no fear of what you have to say.

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    admin 

    Jericho
    “There is good and bad in all temporal organizations and churches.”

    Min. H
    But temporal organizations do not have rules or protocols to eradicate sinful members. They are not even required to profess a belief of ANY type, except the belief in a supreme being.

    Jericho
    “Let us all, Greek and non-Greek, seek the one true and only God in our own hearts and live out the life Christ has set the example for us to live. There are those who will be consciously fine with joining Greek organizations, and there are those who will be whole-heartedly oppose to it. Throwing stones either way is hard to comprehend when both sides claim connection to Christ.”

    Min. H
    It’s only hard to comprehend when the rituals of the organization are brought to light. The TRUE problem comes into play when the Greeks who profess Christ are unwilling to sit down and constructively go through the rituals and other secret and non-secret information.

    What am I saying? They choose their organizations, their brothers and sisters in those organizations OVER dialoguing with who they say are their BROTHERS and SISTERS in Christ in a godly manner.

    Jericho
    “Playing devil’s advocate: how many non-Greek Christian’s still believe in “Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness” and salute the flag or pledge? There is an infinite regress when one condemns Greek Letter organizations for doing what all governments and people there within do.”

    Min. H
    Being in the world and of the world are two totally different things. Christians are called to obey as long as it doesn’t contradict the Word of God.

    Jericho
    “Now back to the side of angels: Christ gives us the perfect example of living in government ran societies and living for Christ…regardless of if you are Greek or non-Greek…you will…like Christ be persecuted.”

    Min. H
    Persecution all depends on your state. I am persecuting Greek organizations, because they are ungodly. It is Greeks who profess to be born again who react negatively to this ministry for various reasons when they should be aiding their brothers and sisters in Christ in the exposing.

    Jericho
    “Greek Christians need know that they will have stones thrown at them for being Greek. Non Greek Christians need to know that they will be called hypocrites if and when they throw these stones.

    Min. H
    No sir, they receive the stones of their own conscience. But what of EX-Greeks who are saved? I am unconcerned with the name calling. They have called me many things.

    Jericho
    Stop. Think. and LISTEN. to the word of God. At the end of the day: LOVE ONE ANOTHER REGARDLESS and pray for your enemies. Stop fighting. We all are God’s Children. (NOTE) Poke holes in my argument if you so choose…I’m confident that my words taken in whole make sense to most readers…have fun throwing stones!

    Min. H
    I am fighting no one. I am no one’s side except God’s side.

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    breeze 

    We as sinners will say anything to keep sinning(including MYSELF). We make every excuse but the truth is the “good” things the organization does are NOT for the glory of God but for the glory of the organization(THE BGLO) therefore GOD will NOT acknowledge it. You are part of a BGLO because you WANT to be associated with IT’s Name. It’s that simple. STOP MAKING EXCUSES! GOD is not pleased with any works done not for the glory of him & you know it & God knows you know it. You are just trying to rationalize why you do it for your own conscience. If your organization requires secrecy, oaths, & your mind, heart & soul you are worshiping your organization. NO EXCUSES!

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    LaceD 

    This is pure nonsense. I am a Delta that is a Christian and behaves as such. We don’t idolze or worship Minerva. She is only a symbol. We are founded on Christian values and believe in God. I was not hazed, nor ridiculed for it. People only do what you allow them to do to you. You are completely misquoting the ritual. Why even have the ritual if you are no longer a part of the organization? This is sad that you actually devote time to an organization that you have denounced. I dont bother with old toys that no longer concern me. If you are done, then be done. Everything that you have said is an opinion, not a fact. By all means, express your opinion but please stop trying to disguise it as a fact! Please and thank you!

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    admin 

    LaceD
    This is pure nonsense. I am a Delta that is a Christian and behaves as such. We don’t idolize or worship Minerva. She is only a symbol.

    Min. H
    If she is only a symbol, why is she littered all over the ritual? She is more that a symbol. She holds goddess like status. What does offending the grace of Minerva have to do with symbolism?

    LaceD
    We are founded on Christian values and believe in God. I was not hazed, nor ridiculed for it. People only do what you allow them to do to you. You are completely misquoting the ritual.

    Min. H
    I am glad you are paper. You believe in God? Which one, because according to your ritual,

    “Therefore, be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be.”

    This is religious plurality, practiced by every Greek Organization I have come in contact with. I am not misquoting the ritual, but rather, you are parroting the age old DISCRETION, YOU SWORE TO KEEP THE SECRETS. So I ask you, Am I lying, or do you not recognize the passages quoted in this thread?

    LaceD
    Why even have the ritual if you are no longer a part of the organization? This is sad that you actually devote time to an organization that you have denounced. I dont bother with old toys that no longer concern me. If you are done, then be done. Everything that you have said is an opinion, not a fact. By all means, express your opinion but please stop trying to disguise it as a fact! Please and thank you!

    Min. H
    You are a Christian, right? Then why the harsh tone over opinions and misquotes?

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    AB 

    I would like to briefly say that the “admin” is so on point with this discussion. The difference between her and many of you is that you all express an opinion while she expresses facts. What better facts are those other than those given to us by God. I pledged at a chapter in the Midwest in Indiana when all went wrong very quickly. I wont go into detail but the end result was me as well as 3 others not receiving our letters. At the time I was devastated but now I am THANKFUL to God that I am not a part of the sorority. I am better than Delta Sigma Theta and their practices. God had better plans for me. There were big sisters claiming to be Christians yet doing things that were not Christ-like! When I confronted her, well, that may be the reason why I am not a Delta today. I don’t conform or adhere to bullshit (for a lack of a better term) and that was what they were serving. I was too much for them to handle thus it was not a good idea for them to take me in. I wasn’t cut from that kind of clothe. I have friends who are Deltas as well as family members and I don’t judge them but it was not the right place for a self-confident, sassy, and tough girl like myself. It is horrible that we as black people tear each other down in the name of sisterhood. What an oxymoron! The 22 founders of Delta would roll over in their graves if they saw what these little girls have made of the sorority. I respect the founding principles of the organization but do not of many of its members. Many women after graduation from college don’t even maintain their affiliation. I just hope that someday these organizations get back to the true essence of their founding-to better our society and to help uplift our people. This other BS that’s going on-well you all will have to answer to GOD about that!!

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    1baddelta 

    Min. H:

    To: LaceD: “I am glad you are paper.”
    What’s the latest ritual that you have? Because mine is not littered with Minerva all over it.

    Why would you call LaceD a “paper” Delta because she was not hazed? Is that not wrong?

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    admin 

    Earn some trust here, and tell me the latest version you possess.

    No it is not wrong to call her paper. Did you pledge the old school way?

  227. This is the hypocrisy that the devil enjoys. satan smirks every time a professed believer comes out and “keeps it real.” Sadly, her “real” is without any hint of repentance. Remorse only is sorry about being caught. Repentance is from godly sorrow that works repentance leading to salvation. Repentance is about telling the Lord you turn from sin and that you are sorry that you hurt HIm on the level of Adam and Eve’s sin. But notice also “the rules of the church.” It’s a clear indication that she blames the rules of the church for her sins. The rules of the church is smoke in mirrors for rejecting the counsel of the Lord in the Bible. The child of God is to abstain from fornication. Flee fornication. Live in sanctification. That’s God’s best. According to the CDC, 16 million new cases of STDs this year. More African American women will have abortions than any other ethnic group. In fact, African American women are four times more likely to abort a child than a white woman. Let’s call it correct. It’s not “church rules,” it’s God’s Word to protect us. So if Kandi or anyone else is going to lay blame on “church rules,” be bold and blame it on God. Just say it…God, it’s your rules I hate and I hate you for making these rules. Finally, I blame Mr. I. B. Stupid for abortion. If a male doesn’t impregnate a woman, an abortion cannot happen. It takes two to tango, but the full responsibility is on the man. He is supposed to be a protector and provider, not a predator and a murderer. So, Mr. I. B. Stupid, you are culpable of murder.

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    sjackson 

    Ok I have done my research. I understand that
    1. I serve a jealous GOD . No man can serve two GODS…they are linked to Minerva
    2. It is a secret society..the bible says not to do that
    3. Not everyone in the organization is a Christian, and it is not enforced.
    4. You say creepy rituals/ oath
    So what if you pledge Delta but… Still know that Jesus Christ is the only GOD you worship. What if you let all of that Minerva crap fly over your head because you know that no other GOD exists, and you KNOW that it is irrelevant. I am not worshiping two GODS if I do not believe Minerva exists. Its just a stupid little representation of what Greek crap they chose to represent them, it does not m an I am worshiping it. What if you still put GOD first and only worship him. What if as a Christian I do not idolize this sorority but put GOD first. Can a 19 year old girl really be in a sorority for the right reasons (to service the community, to have life long friends, to be a part of a strong black organization of women) and not give her elf to the devil. Can I personally say the lords prayer in my mind as these rituals are said and have a relationship with the Lord where he knows that I am not giving my self but simply want to be a part of an organization of strong black women. if nothing can shake my faith, can I do this? GOD knows where my heart is right? Everything in the world is connected to the devil. Literally everything.
    People do begin to worship the greek GODS and give themselves in idolatry wearing the colors buying the stuff ect. But if I hold myself to standard and hold GOD first, can I just simply be apart of the organization.
    Please don’t yell at me and call me an idiot I just want to know with a pure heart and nothing that can shake my faith, can I do this. Please dont say “hunnie you already know the answer its in your heart, the facts are in the pudding” my grandma already told me that.

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    admin 

    SJackson

    Ok I have done my research. I understand that
    1. I serve a jealous GOD . No man can serve two GODS…they are linked to Minerva
    2. It is a secret society..the bible says not to do that
    3. Not everyone in the organization is a Christian, and it is not enforced.
    4. You say creepy rituals/ oath
    So what if you pledge Delta but… Still know that Jesus Christ is the only GOD you worship. What if you let all of that Minerva crap fly over your head because you know that no other GOD exists, and you KNOW that it is irrelevant. I am not worshiping two GODS if I do not believe Minerva exists. Its just a stupid little representation of what Greek crap they chose to represent them, it does not mean I am worshiping it. What if you still put GOD first and only worship him. What if as a Christian I do not idolize this sorority but put GOD first. Can a 19 year old girl really be in a sorority for the right reasons (to service the community, to have life long friends, to be a part of a strong black organization of women) and not give herself to the devil.

    Min. H
    In this statement, you self-contradict. If all of those things are stupid, why join? There are organizations out there with allegiances to no gods and perform awesome community service.

    You make the assumption that they are strong black women. So since you cherry picked many of the posts on here, I would like to cherry pick what you failed (AND I BELIEVE PURPOSELY) to mention here.

    1. How can an organization that claims to be founded upon Christian Principles remain silent, (which is no different than giving affirmation to) ABORTION and HOMOSEXUALITY?

    2. How can they openly support fornication, adultery, etc. as well as having a poor track record in the institution of marriage?

    3. You say STRONG BLACK WOMEN. What does that mean? Name some of these strong black women if you please? Of some of the most famous, I can say that they approve of sin, founded and were a part of organizations that were bent on murdering black people, etc.

    All I say to believers is they better know that God has saved them.

    You’re right. God knows your heart, and here’s what He says about it.

    The heart is DECEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS, and DESPERATELY WICKED, who can know it? Jeremiah 17

    Sjackson

    Can I personally say the lords prayer in my mind as these rituals are said and have a relationship with the Lord where he knows that I am not giving my self but simply want to be a part of an organization of strong black women.

    Min. H
    So now you are deceiving the very people you are calling strong black women. You are apparently deceiving yourself. Strong black women should have to be deceptive in their actions. It shows a lack of strength, and reveals their true weakness.

    You see Ms. Jackson, this is how the Devil works. In order for you to act righteously, you have to act deceptively at the same time. God’s truth is pure and requires no lies and deception.

    SJackson
    if nothing can shake my faith, can I do this? GOD knows where my heart is right?

    Min. H
    How do you know nothing can shake YOUR faith. Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm. Jeremiah 17

    SJackson
    Everything in the world is connected to the devil. Literally everything. People do begin to worship the greek GODS and give themselves in idolatry wearing the colors buying the stuff ect. But if I hold myself to standard and hold GOD first, can I just simply be apart of the organization?

    Min. H
    You must make that choice, but I hope to God you are right, because if you’re wrong, the consequences can be devastating.

    SJackson
    Please don’t yell at me and call me an idiot I just want to know with a pure heart and nothing that can shake my faith, can I do this. Please dont say “hunnie you already know the answer its in your heart, the facts are in the pudding” my grandma already told me that.

    Min. H
    First of all, I am not your grandmother, secondly, I don’t know if you’re an idiot or not (take it easy, that was meant to lighten the mood).

    How do you plan to give glory to God in an organization that claims to be founded upon Christian Principles that OPENLY DENIES His glory, Deity, and blood sacrifice?

    Let me ask you this: are you willing to speak out publicly against the organization’s wrong doings and ugly sins?

    According to you, NO. So what will end up happening to you has happened to many who confess Jesus as Lord in these organizations……… They become MUTED to speak the truth that reveals the darkness against what they love. The question is, what and who do they love more.

    I appreciate the post!

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    sjackson 

    You keep asking me an I sure that my faith wont be broken. Am I sure I wont idolize. Yes I am. I think going in this process isn’t about what people in the organization believe in (abortion.sex before marriage) but where I stand with Christ and what I believe in. If I am sure nothing will break my faith, I know I will not and do not believe in any other GOD, I know I wont idolize anything or put anything before Jesus Christ, then I’m good. I am in a world where everything is in yolk with the devil. If I’m strong I’m good. Thanks.

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    admin 

    You keep asking me an I sure that my faith wont be broken. Am I sure I wont idolize. Yes I am. I think going in this process isn’t about what people in the organization believe in (abortion.sex before marriage) but where I stand with Christ and what I believe in.

    Min. H
    You say this process… What process? Does the chapter you want to join pledge or follow the paper process?

    If I am sure nothing will break my faith, I know I will not and do not believe in any other GOD, I know I wont idolize anything or put anything before Jesus Christ, then I’m good. I am in a world where everything is in yolk with the devil. If I’m strong I’m good. Thanks.

    Min. H
    I have heard many say what you say. The problem is they, nor you, nor I have any power to say what we will and will not do. We do not even know what tomorrow holds.

    My point is that if you want this so bad, you need to check yourself for that reason alone. What if they reject you as a potential member? What if they pledge you?

    Idolatry is not the only sin in the world. Everything is not YOLKED to the devil.

    I believe people who are born again will not truly participate wholly in Greek Life. So why join?

    “this process isn’t about what people in the organization believe in (abortion.sex before marriage)”

    Evil communications corrupts good manners…………

    Praise Jesus!

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    Tootired 

    I am so tired of the lies!! I have read majority of these posts and I just have to say something. I am a women of God. Let me specify in this case, I am a women of JESUS CHRIST, the only one I shall live and die for. I am not about to go in like I really want to but I just have something to say. I currently attend a university where hazing occurs, I transferred from a university where hazing still occurs. I know people around the U.S where hazing occurs at their university, so this whole “ no tolerance hazing “ crap, I ‘m over it!!!! I have dated guys in fraternities who have told me EVERYTHING they went through and what they do to the “Neo’s” and there is no way you can tell me that is of God. I Agree, these people don’t have to go through this, but why would you be part of an organization who does this to people. I get it everyone doesn’t get hazed okay cool. I haven’t even started on the thing that ticks me off the most. GLO’S are free to do their dances and songs and what not but don’t bring my man Jesus in this. Sororities/ Fraternities you are NOT of Christ so stop telling lies!!! Yeah you can attend church, do community service, feed the homeless, and quote scripture, Even STATAN can quote scriptures, but does that stuff does that mean you are a follower of Christ? Let me answer that for you, NO!. Only those who take up their cross and follow Christ are worthy of him!!! THAT GOES FOR EVERYONE NOT JUST GREEKS. These post really started a fire in me and I am even more inspired to continue to seek the truth about sororities/fraternities. I can’t stop people from what they want to do but at least I can inform them on the truth. Lastly I am not judging anyone , I haven’t been saved my whole life , however there is a difference between living in sin and sinning.

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